B737-200 crew had track deviation in ZNY class a and class east airspaces.

Attributes
ACN	497286
Time
Date	200101
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	intersection : zizzi
State Reference	NJ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 20000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Weather Elements	other
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zny.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent : vacating altitude
Route In Use	enroute airway : j174.airway
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 7000
ASRS Report	497286
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Weather
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

With first officer flying, we were in deep discussion about previous leg's screw-up. We were descending on J174 sbound to cross zizzi intersection at 16000 ft. We had 100-110 KT crosswind and the first officer just let it blow him east of course as he just couldn't believe how much correction it was taking for the strong winds. Not wanting to over correct, he just kept getting further off centerline. My radial/radio was set for the turn at zizzi intersection down the ATR 085 degree radial to ATR so I didn't notice how much he was drifting. That, combined with the parallax angle from my seat to his HSI and a dark cockpit, didn't help. ATC inquired if we were centered and I told him we were correcting immediately. This old, old B737 has no FMC -- it should be mandatory in modern airliners. In the future, we will put distrs aside till on the ground, but we were still shook up about previous error on previous leg. In regards to the limited navigation capacity, I will certainly tighten up my definition of 'centered on the airway' and stop trying to be mr nice guy in the cockpit thinking the first officer will get it back ok.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: B737-200 CREW HAD TRACK DEV IN ZNY CLASS A AND CLASS E AIRSPACES.

Narrative: WITH FO FLYING, WE WERE IN DEEP DISCUSSION ABOUT PREVIOUS LEG'S SCREW-UP. WE WERE DSNDING ON J174 SBOUND TO CROSS ZIZZI INTXN AT 16000 FT. WE HAD 100-110 KT XWIND AND THE FO JUST LET IT BLOW HIM E OF COURSE AS HE JUST COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH CORRECTION IT WAS TAKING FOR THE STRONG WINDS. NOT WANTING TO OVER CORRECT, HE JUST KEPT GETTING FURTHER OFF CTRLINE. MY RADIAL/RADIO WAS SET FOR THE TURN AT ZIZZI INTXN DOWN THE ATR 085 DEG RADIAL TO ATR SO I DIDN'T NOTICE HOW MUCH HE WAS DRIFTING. THAT, COMBINED WITH THE PARALLAX ANGLE FROM MY SEAT TO HIS HSI AND A DARK COCKPIT, DIDN'T HELP. ATC INQUIRED IF WE WERE CTRED AND I TOLD HIM WE WERE CORRECTING IMMEDIATELY. THIS OLD, OLD B737 HAS NO FMC -- IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY IN MODERN AIRLINERS. IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL PUT DISTRS ASIDE TILL ON THE GND, BUT WE WERE STILL SHOOK UP ABOUT PREVIOUS ERROR ON PREVIOUS LEG. IN REGARDS TO THE LIMITED NAV CAPACITY, I WILL CERTAINLY TIGHTEN UP MY DEFINITION OF 'CTRED ON THE AIRWAY' AND STOP TRYING TO BE MR NICE GUY IN THE COCKPIT THINKING THE FO WILL GET IT BACK OK.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.