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Attributes | |
ACN | 497920 |
Time | |
Date | 200101 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ebbr.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 21200 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ebbu.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : kok 34 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 497920 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 72 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 285 |
ASRS Report | 497921 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First officer was the PF. We were cleared to cross 25 NM west of kosky at FL220 which was accomplished. The ATIS stated the runways 25L/right were in use for arrival which indicated a kosky 3 alfa (kok 3A) arrival. I selected the arrival and saw the FMC had set 273 KIAS/163 KTS at the speed limit point and the maximum airspeed was 250 KIAS at the speed limit point. I entered 250/160 on the legs page on the mcdu. The first officer did not notice the larger print at the speed limit point. Since we had been cleared for the kok 3A, the first officer stated that he was going to put in the next altitude in the altitude window. We had not received a new altitude. I turned to the side to again look at my arrival chart to see if I had missed an altitude. I saw the only altitude was FL70 out of kok and that it was a minimum altitude on the arrival. When I turned back, I saw the aircraft was in a shallow vertical speed descent and I told the first officer that we had not been cleared to descend and he stopped the aircraft approximately 300 ft below our assigned altitude. I then queried brussels control if we had been cleared for the arrival and he answered in the affirmative. At this time, the first officer again began to descend and brussels control came back asking about our altitude. There was a lot of confusion and control cleared us down to FL100. The problem was caused by a lack of communication between the first officer and myself. I had entered information on the legs page and neglected to inform the first officer assuming that he saw the large constraint as crew input. The first officer neglected to inform me that he was leaving our assigned altitude based on what he believed was a hard altitude constraint on the arrival.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B763 CREW STARTED DSCNT PRIOR TO RECEIVING CLRNC TO DO SO.
Narrative: FO WAS THE PF. WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS 25 NM W OF KOSKY AT FL220 WHICH WAS ACCOMPLISHED. THE ATIS STATED THE RWYS 25L/R WERE IN USE FOR ARR WHICH INDICATED A KOSKY 3 ALFA (KOK 3A) ARR. I SELECTED THE ARR AND SAW THE FMC HAD SET 273 KIAS/163 KTS AT THE SPD LIMIT POINT AND THE MAX AIRSPD WAS 250 KIAS AT THE SPD LIMIT POINT. I ENTERED 250/160 ON THE LEGS PAGE ON THE MCDU. THE FO DID NOT NOTICE THE LARGER PRINT AT THE SPD LIMIT POINT. SINCE WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR THE KOK 3A, THE FO STATED THAT HE WAS GOING TO PUT IN THE NEXT ALT IN THE ALT WINDOW. WE HAD NOT RECEIVED A NEW ALT. I TURNED TO THE SIDE TO AGAIN LOOK AT MY ARR CHART TO SEE IF I HAD MISSED AN ALT. I SAW THE ONLY ALT WAS FL70 OUT OF KOK AND THAT IT WAS A MINIMUM ALT ON THE ARR. WHEN I TURNED BACK, I SAW THE ACFT WAS IN A SHALLOW VERT SPD DSCNT AND I TOLD THE FO THAT WE HAD NOT BEEN CLRED TO DSND AND HE STOPPED THE ACFT APPROX 300 FT BELOW OUR ASSIGNED ALT. I THEN QUERIED BRUSSELS CTL IF WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR THE ARR AND HE ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. AT THIS TIME, THE FO AGAIN BEGAN TO DSND AND BRUSSELS CTL CAME BACK ASKING ABOUT OUR ALT. THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION AND CTL CLRED US DOWN TO FL100. THE PROB WAS CAUSED BY A LACK OF COM BTWN THE FO AND MYSELF. I HAD ENTERED INFO ON THE LEGS PAGE AND NEGLECTED TO INFORM THE FO ASSUMING THAT HE SAW THE LARGE CONSTRAINT AS CREW INPUT. THE FO NEGLECTED TO INFORM ME THAT HE WAS LEAVING OUR ASSIGNED ALT BASED ON WHAT HE BELIEVED WAS A HARD ALT CONSTRAINT ON THE ARR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.