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Attributes | |
ACN | 501941 |
Time | |
Date | 200102 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 501941 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were holding short of runway 9L at mia. Tower cleared a B747-400 to take off from runway 9L. Tower then cleared us into position and hold on runway 9L. They then cleared us to take off behind the B747./ both the captain and I hacked our clocks when the B747 began his takeoff roll. When tower gave us clearance to take off, we were only 1 min behind the B747. I told tower that we needed more time for separation behind the heavy. He told us to clear the runway in an angry manner and told us that if we needed more than normal separation that we should let us know. They then told us to clear the runway and taxi into position and hold on runway 12. This required a confign change, and power change, and MCP change. I had the new takeoff power setting for that runway and while the captain was taxiing into position, we briefed the new data, flap setting, and takeoff briefing. They then cleared us to take off. Rest of flight was relatively uneventful. Tower had cleared someone to land on runway 9L while we were in position on runway 9L and the B747 had delayed his takeoff roll about 30 seconds after tower cleared him to take off. Controllers at busy airports such as mia seem to be trying harder and harder to push the departure and arrival numbers up. We need to know the regulations and not get pushed into a corner where we make bad decisions just because we believe the tower controllers will put us in the back of the line. While this incident was handled appropriately, it was still a case where controllers are trying to put us pilots into position that are on the edge of safety.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC ON A B737 AT MIA WERE INSTRUCTED TO TAXI OFF THE RWY AFTER ASKING FOR EXTRA SEPARATION BEHIND DEPARTING B747.
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 9L AT MIA. TWR CLRED A B747-400 TO TAKE OFF FROM RWY 9L. TWR THEN CLRED US INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 9L. THEY THEN CLRED US TO TAKE OFF BEHIND THE B747./ BOTH THE CAPT AND I HACKED OUR CLOCKS WHEN THE B747 BEGAN HIS TKOF ROLL. WHEN TWR GAVE US CLRNC TO TAKE OFF, WE WERE ONLY 1 MIN BEHIND THE B747. I TOLD TWR THAT WE NEEDED MORE TIME FOR SEPARATION BEHIND THE HVY. HE TOLD US TO CLR THE RWY IN AN ANGRY MANNER AND TOLD US THAT IF WE NEEDED MORE THAN NORMAL SEPARATION THAT WE SHOULD LET US KNOW. THEY THEN TOLD US TO CLR THE RWY AND TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD ON RWY 12. THIS REQUIRED A CONFIGN CHANGE, AND PWR CHANGE, AND MCP CHANGE. I HAD THE NEW TKOF PWR SETTING FOR THAT RWY AND WHILE THE CAPT WAS TAXIING INTO POS, WE BRIEFED THE NEW DATA, FLAP SETTING, AND TKOF BRIEFING. THEY THEN CLRED US TO TAKE OFF. REST OF FLT WAS RELATIVELY UNEVENTFUL. TWR HAD CLRED SOMEONE TO LAND ON RWY 9L WHILE WE WERE IN POS ON RWY 9L AND THE B747 HAD DELAYED HIS TKOF ROLL ABOUT 30 SECONDS AFTER TWR CLRED HIM TO TAKE OFF. CTLRS AT BUSY ARPTS SUCH AS MIA SEEM TO BE TRYING HARDER AND HARDER TO PUSH THE DEP AND ARR NUMBERS UP. WE NEED TO KNOW THE REGS AND NOT GET PUSHED INTO A CORNER WHERE WE MAKE BAD DECISIONS JUST BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE TWR CTLRS WILL PUT US IN THE BACK OF THE LINE. WHILE THIS INCIDENT WAS HANDLED APPROPRIATELY, IT WAS STILL A CASE WHERE CTLRS ARE TRYING TO PUT US PLTS INTO POS THAT ARE ON THE EDGE OF SAFETY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.