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Attributes | |
ACN | 502221 |
Time | |
Date | 200102 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phz.airport |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Snow Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : phl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : phl.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 502221 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway incursion : taxiway inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After deicing in phl, we taxied sbound out of the deice pad for departure. We contacted phl ground control and received clearance (and readback) to taxi to runway 9L via taxiway south and taxiway Y. Visibility was very restr due to the snow falling (1/2 SM runway 9R 1800/2800 RVR). We could not see the tower and they could not see us. I do not believe the phl tower has ground radar to track taxiing aircraft. This was the captain's first time deicing in phl at this new pad location. Post deice is a very busy time for the first officer as well (entering performance, doing before takeoff checklist, remaining situationally aware, working radios). The captain taxied north on taxiway Y to runway 9L at taxiway K6. Aircraft usually arrive runway 9R and depart runway 9L at phl in the east confign. Arrs on runway 9L and departures on runway 9L are unusual. Runway 9R was being plowed. We saw no ILS hold short signage or paint or lights as we passed through the approach glide path for runway 9L on our taxi north. We didn't really think anything of our position (north of runway 9L) until tower tried to sequence a B727 ahead of us for departure (we were now blocking). The local controller seemed confused that we were north of runway 9L and not still south of the active. We hadn't crossed any runways but we did cross the extended centerline of runway 9L. Our concern is that we might have disrupted ILS signals for arriving aircraft or, more importantly, blocked the approach glide path of other arriving aircraft. No operational problems occurred. We were sequenced for departure and no other contact from the tower or company was received about the matter. No ILS hold bar markings appear on our phl airport commercial pages for taxiway Y and any signs or paint that might exist were possibly covered by snow. In any event, this flight crew didn't see them.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 CREW MADE A WRONG TXWY TURN ON TAXI OUT, AND GOT AHEAD OF A B727 AT PHL DURING NIGHT, LOW RVR, SNOW OPS.
Narrative: AFTER DEICING IN PHL, WE TAXIED SBOUND OUT OF THE DEICE PAD FOR DEP. WE CONTACTED PHL GND CTL AND RECEIVED CLRNC (AND READBACK) TO TAXI TO RWY 9L VIA TXWY S AND TXWY Y. VISIBILITY WAS VERY RESTR DUE TO THE SNOW FALLING (1/2 SM RWY 9R 1800/2800 RVR). WE COULD NOT SEE THE TWR AND THEY COULD NOT SEE US. I DO NOT BELIEVE THE PHL TWR HAS GND RADAR TO TRACK TAXIING ACFT. THIS WAS THE CAPT'S FIRST TIME DEICING IN PHL AT THIS NEW PAD LOCATION. POST DEICE IS A VERY BUSY TIME FOR THE FO AS WELL (ENTERING PERFORMANCE, DOING BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST, REMAINING SITUATIONALLY AWARE, WORKING RADIOS). THE CAPT TAXIED N ON TXWY Y TO RWY 9L AT TXWY K6. ACFT USUALLY ARRIVE RWY 9R AND DEPART RWY 9L AT PHL IN THE E CONFIGN. ARRS ON RWY 9L AND DEPS ON RWY 9L ARE UNUSUAL. RWY 9R WAS BEING PLOWED. WE SAW NO ILS HOLD SHORT SIGNAGE OR PAINT OR LIGHTS AS WE PASSED THROUGH THE APCH GLIDE PATH FOR RWY 9L ON OUR TAXI N. WE DIDN'T REALLY THINK ANYTHING OF OUR POS (N OF RWY 9L) UNTIL TWR TRIED TO SEQUENCE A B727 AHEAD OF US FOR DEP (WE WERE NOW BLOCKING). THE LCL CTLR SEEMED CONFUSED THAT WE WERE N OF RWY 9L AND NOT STILL S OF THE ACTIVE. WE HADN'T CROSSED ANY RWYS BUT WE DID CROSS THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF RWY 9L. OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE DISRUPTED ILS SIGNALS FOR ARRIVING ACFT OR, MORE IMPORTANTLY, BLOCKED THE APCH GLIDE PATH OF OTHER ARRIVING ACFT. NO OPERATIONAL PROBS OCCURRED. WE WERE SEQUENCED FOR DEP AND NO OTHER CONTACT FROM THE TWR OR COMPANY WAS RECEIVED ABOUT THE MATTER. NO ILS HOLD BAR MARKINGS APPEAR ON OUR PHL ARPT COMMERCIAL PAGES FOR TXWY Y AND ANY SIGNS OR PAINT THAT MIGHT EXIST WERE POSSIBLY COVERED BY SNOW. IN ANY EVENT, THIS FLC DIDN'T SEE THEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.