F100 crew taxied past official hold short line.

Attributes
ACN	503157
Time
Date	200103
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cyyz.airport
State Reference	ON
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Fokker 100
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	503157
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	503156
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Airport
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

During taxi on taxiway H in toronto, we crossed the hold short line for runway 23. We stopped just prior to a hold short marking which we later learned was the old hold short line for runway 23. Tower called us and advised that we had crossed the hold short line. We never saw the new runway hold short line. Supplemental information from acn 503156: ...which is a bit confusing as it is a long way from the end of the runway. Callback conversation with reporter acn 503157 revealed the following information: reporter stated that the hold line the crew missed was located on taxiway H approximately 1/2 way between the 45 degree turn taxiway H makes and taxiway Q. Their position was short of a second (old) hold line at taxiway Q. Landing traffic was advised of the aircraft's position, relative to the hold line, and chose to land. Reporter stated the tower informed him there have been problems in the past involving that particular hold line.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: F100 CREW TAXIED PAST OFFICIAL HOLD SHORT LINE.

Narrative: DURING TAXI ON TXWY H IN TORONTO, WE CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 23. WE STOPPED JUST PRIOR TO A HOLD SHORT MARKING WHICH WE LATER LEARNED WAS THE OLD HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 23. TWR CALLED US AND ADVISED THAT WE HAD CROSSED THE HOLD SHORT LINE. WE NEVER SAW THE NEW RWY HOLD SHORT LINE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 503156: ...WHICH IS A BIT CONFUSING AS IT IS A LONG WAY FROM THE END OF THE RWY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR ACN 503157 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE HOLD LINE THE CREW MISSED WAS LOCATED ON TXWY H APPROX 1/2 WAY BTWN THE 45 DEG TURN TXWY H MAKES AND TXWY Q. THEIR POS WAS SHORT OF A SECOND (OLD) HOLD LINE AT TXWY Q. LNDG TFC WAS ADVISED OF THE ACFT'S POS, RELATIVE TO THE HOLD LINE, AND CHOSE TO LAND. RPTR STATED THE TWR INFORMED HIM THERE HAVE BEEN PROBS IN THE PAST INVOLVING THAT PARTICULAR HOLD LINE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.