A319-100 crew was cleared to exit runway 25L on taxiway M. An aircraft already holding on taxiway M ...

Attributes
ACN	504850
Time
Date	200103
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	A319
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : taxi ground other : turn off rwy
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : lax.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 45
ASRS Report	504850
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed go around
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other Other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance FAA Airport
Primary Problem	FAA
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : lax.tower

Narrative:

Problem caused by ATC capacity enhancement program. Lnded runway 25L at lax behind an air carrier md-80. Tower instructed us to vacate runway at taxiway 'M'. Md-80 was also on taxiway 'M'. Taxiway is not big enough for both aircraft. Pulled as close to md-80 as safely possible however half of our aircraft was still over the hold line on the active runway. Advised tower we were still on the runway. Tower told an air carrier B-777 to go around. Tower then cleared the md-80 and us to cross runway 25R. Ground asking to call supervisor for possible pilot deviation. Talked to tower representative. He advised lax has a problem to put two aircraft in the space between the two runways and it should hold two md-80 size aircraft. I advised him I had pulled up as close as I could safely, with the md-80 jet blast posing a hazard and was still over the hold line and that the taxiway can not hold 2 aircraft safely. I believe ATC was totally unaware of our position on the runway and had we not advised them that we couldn't move further up, the B-777 aircraft would have lnded causing a runway incursion. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: crew had planned the turnoff on taxiway north, because of an aircraft holding on taxiway M. Tower directed an exit on taxiway M. The crew found insufficient room to clear the runway on taxiway M. The captain informed the tower they were unable to clear at M. A landing B-777 aircraft was given a go around because runway 25L was not clear. The tower local controller then threatened the crew with punitive action because of the failure to clear runway 25L. On contact with the tower management by phone, they stated that there was supposed to be room enough for two aircraft to hold on the high speed turnoffs. The captain stated he was as close to the md-80 as it was prudent to get without sustaining blast damage. He thought that the tower policy of trying to hold two aircraft on the high speed turnoffs should be discontinued.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A319-100 CREW WAS CLRED TO EXIT RWY 25L ON TXWY M. AN ACFT ALREADY HOLDING ON TXWY M PREVENTED THE ACFT FROM CLRING RWY 25L COMPLETELY.

Narrative: PROB CAUSED BY ATC CAPACITY ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM. LNDED RWY 25L AT LAX BEHIND AN ACR MD-80. TWR INSTRUCTED US TO VACATE RWY AT TXWY 'M'. MD-80 WAS ALSO ON TXWY 'M'. TXWY IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR BOTH ACFT. PULLED AS CLOSE TO MD-80 AS SAFELY POSSIBLE HOWEVER HALF OF OUR ACFT WAS STILL OVER THE HOLD LINE ON THE ACTIVE RWY. ADVISED TWR WE WERE STILL ON THE RWY. TWR TOLD AN ACR B-777 TO GAR. TWR THEN CLRED THE MD-80 AND US TO CROSS RWY 25R. GND ASKING TO CALL SUPERVISOR FOR POSSIBLE PLT DEVIATION. TALKED TO TWR REPRESENTATIVE. HE ADVISED LAX HAS A PROB TO PUT TWO ACFT IN THE SPACE BTWN THE TWO RWYS AND IT SHOULD HOLD TWO MD-80 SIZE ACFT. I ADVISED HIM I HAD PULLED UP AS CLOSE AS I COULD SAFELY, WITH THE MD-80 JET BLAST POSING A HAZARD AND WAS STILL OVER THE HOLD LINE AND THAT THE TXWY CAN NOT HOLD 2 ACFT SAFELY. I BELIEVE ATC WAS TOTALLY UNAWARE OF OUR POS ON THE RWY AND HAD WE NOT ADVISED THEM THAT WE COULDN'T MOVE FURTHER UP, THE B-777 ACFT WOULD HAVE LNDED CAUSING A RWY INCURSION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: CREW HAD PLANNED THE TURNOFF ON TXWY N, BECAUSE OF AN ACFT HOLDING ON TXWY M. TWR DIRECTED AN EXIT ON TXWY M. THE CREW FOUND INSUFFICIENT ROOM TO CLR THE RWY ON TXWY M. THE CAPT INFORMED THE TWR THEY WERE UNABLE TO CLR AT M. A LNDG B-777 ACFT WAS GIVEN A GAR BECAUSE RWY 25L WAS NOT CLR. THE TWR LCL CTLR THEN THREATENED THE CREW WITH PUNITIVE ACTION BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE TO CLR RWY 25L. ON CONTACT WITH THE TWR MGMNT BY PHONE, THEY STATED THAT THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ROOM ENOUGH FOR TWO ACFT TO HOLD ON THE HIGH SPEED TURNOFFS. THE CAPT STATED HE WAS AS CLOSE TO THE MD-80 AS IT WAS PRUDENT TO GET WITHOUT SUSTAINING BLAST DAMAGE. HE THOUGHT THAT THE TWR POLICY OF TRYING TO HOLD TWO ACFT ON THE HIGH SPEED TURNOFFS SHOULD BE DISCONTINUED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

A319-100 crew was cleared to exit runway 25L on taxiway M. An aircraft already holding on taxiway M prevented the aircraft from clearing runway 25L completely.