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Attributes | |
ACN | 507710 |
Time | |
Date | 200104 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 507710 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were getting vectors to visual approach to runway 35C at dfw. Approach gave us a turn to 90 degrees to final (left base) and solicited 'runway in sight?' vectors and altitudes left us high and tight, but I thought I could square the final and still be alright. Received an overshoot, but I didn't get any farther to runway 35R than about 1/2 way. During overshoot, TCASII said 'traffic, traffic.' the amber disk on TCASII indicator showed another aircraft 200 ft above us, presumably on approach to runway 35R. I never saw the other aircraft, and neither did the copilot. No comments about traffic conflict from either approach control or tower. No RA from TCASII. After correcting to final, rest of flight was unremarkable. Cause: I assumed I would be getting a longer final approach. This caused me to get caught high and fast. Cause: I don't think I worried about the danger of overshoot, since I wasn't cognizant of traffic on runway 35R until I began to overshoot runway 35C. Cause: approach control gave me a slam dunk without communicating their intentions. That is, they had me on 90 degrees to final, still high, close to the field and then cleared me for the visual approach. I noticed the aircraft landing after me had to request s-turns to get down, as well. Cause: I accepted the visual approach while too high and too close to the field.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IN AN EFFORT TO SALVAGE A LESS THAN DESIRABLE SET-UP FOR AN ARR TO DFW, AN ACR SQUARES HIS BASE LEG TO FINAL TURN, MISJUDGES AND ENCROACHES ON A PARALLEL RWY RESULTING IN A TCASII TA.
Narrative: WE WERE GETTING VECTORS TO VISUAL APCH TO RWY 35C AT DFW. APCH GAVE US A TURN TO 90 DEGS TO FINAL (L BASE) AND SOLICITED 'RWY IN SIGHT?' VECTORS AND ALTS LEFT US HIGH AND TIGHT, BUT I THOUGHT I COULD SQUARE THE FINAL AND STILL BE ALRIGHT. RECEIVED AN OVERSHOOT, BUT I DIDN'T GET ANY FARTHER TO RWY 35R THAN ABOUT 1/2 WAY. DURING OVERSHOOT, TCASII SAID 'TFC, TFC.' THE AMBER DISK ON TCASII INDICATOR SHOWED ANOTHER ACFT 200 FT ABOVE US, PRESUMABLY ON APCH TO RWY 35R. I NEVER SAW THE OTHER ACFT, AND NEITHER DID THE COPLT. NO COMMENTS ABOUT TFC CONFLICT FROM EITHER APCH CTL OR TWR. NO RA FROM TCASII. AFTER CORRECTING TO FINAL, REST OF FLT WAS UNREMARKABLE. CAUSE: I ASSUMED I WOULD BE GETTING A LONGER FINAL APCH. THIS CAUSED ME TO GET CAUGHT HIGH AND FAST. CAUSE: I DON'T THINK I WORRIED ABOUT THE DANGER OF OVERSHOOT, SINCE I WASN'T COGNIZANT OF TFC ON RWY 35R UNTIL I BEGAN TO OVERSHOOT RWY 35C. CAUSE: APCH CTL GAVE ME A SLAM DUNK WITHOUT COMMUNICATING THEIR INTENTIONS. THAT IS, THEY HAD ME ON 90 DEGS TO FINAL, STILL HIGH, CLOSE TO THE FIELD AND THEN CLRED ME FOR THE VISUAL APCH. I NOTICED THE ACFT LNDG AFTER ME HAD TO REQUEST S-TURNS TO GET DOWN, AS WELL. CAUSE: I ACCEPTED THE VISUAL APCH WHILE TOO HIGH AND TOO CLOSE TO THE FIELD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.