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Attributes | |
ACN | 508325 |
Time | |
Date | 200104 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : emi.vortac |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Ice |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bwi.tracon tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 275 flight time total : 1475 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 508325 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
Flying a C172, without deicing capability, the rain we were in turned to light ice. We were IMC at the time. Upon seeing the ice start to build, I notified ATC and requested a lower altitude. We were told 'unable at this time.' this was surprising as I had said I was in a C172 and started to pick up ice. I was told, 'if you can't continue with your flight plan, let me know.' what would my choice have been, lower? I was told there was traffic at 5000 ft, we were at 6000 ft and that it would be a while. I asked what 'awhile' meant -- 30 mins, 10 mins, 5 mins? I was told not that long. Again, I had to ask, tying up valuable frequency time, how long was 'not that long.' I also informed ATC that I could last 5 or 10 mins and that if it would be much longer, or conditions changed, I would need to get lower. I was then told traffic 25 NM, opposite direction at 5000 ft. I said we could probably wait that long, but was very surprised at the altitude and lack of action when I mentioned 'ice.' I didn't want to declare an emergency, but wouldn't have hesitated had conditions worsened. Seems like a descent or even a small turn until opposing traffic passed would have been a quick, easy solution.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C172 CFI ON A TRAINING FLT PICKS UP ICING AT 6000 FT AND ISSUES A COMPLAINT AGAINST THE CTLR WHO DID NOT APPEAR TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE PLT'S PLIGHT 10 MI W OF EMI, MD.
Narrative: FLYING A C172, WITHOUT DEICING CAPABILITY, THE RAIN WE WERE IN TURNED TO LIGHT ICE. WE WERE IMC AT THE TIME. UPON SEEING THE ICE START TO BUILD, I NOTIFIED ATC AND REQUESTED A LOWER ALT. WE WERE TOLD 'UNABLE AT THIS TIME.' THIS WAS SURPRISING AS I HAD SAID I WAS IN A C172 AND STARTED TO PICK UP ICE. I WAS TOLD, 'IF YOU CAN'T CONTINUE WITH YOUR FLT PLAN, LET ME KNOW.' WHAT WOULD MY CHOICE HAVE BEEN, LOWER? I WAS TOLD THERE WAS TFC AT 5000 FT, WE WERE AT 6000 FT AND THAT IT WOULD BE A WHILE. I ASKED WHAT 'AWHILE' MEANT -- 30 MINS, 10 MINS, 5 MINS? I WAS TOLD NOT THAT LONG. AGAIN, I HAD TO ASK, TYING UP VALUABLE FREQ TIME, HOW LONG WAS 'NOT THAT LONG.' I ALSO INFORMED ATC THAT I COULD LAST 5 OR 10 MINS AND THAT IF IT WOULD BE MUCH LONGER, OR CONDITIONS CHANGED, I WOULD NEED TO GET LOWER. I WAS THEN TOLD TFC 25 NM, OPPOSITE DIRECTION AT 5000 FT. I SAID WE COULD PROBABLY WAIT THAT LONG, BUT WAS VERY SURPRISED AT THE ALT AND LACK OF ACTION WHEN I MENTIONED 'ICE.' I DIDN'T WANT TO DECLARE AN EMER, BUT WOULDN'T HAVE HESITATED HAD CONDITIONS WORSENED. SEEMS LIKE A DSCNT OR EVEN A SMALL TURN UNTIL OPPOSING TFC PASSED WOULD HAVE BEEN A QUICK, EASY SOLUTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.