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Attributes | |
ACN | 510153 |
Time | |
Date | 200103 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mem.tracon |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | BAe 146-100 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 190 |
ASRS Report | 510153 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne critical non adherence : clearance non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were busy talking and didn't realize how close we were to the airport. Should have asked to descend. Controller asked us to descend to make a fix, asked if we could make it. We told him we would be close. I got busy trying to make descent. Behind aircraft. I missed procedure turn. Captain was busy, head down, programming fixes to runway. He caught it heads up. We turned too late. ATC corrected late turn. Later on, gave us a quick turn into base to final ahead of other traffic (slam dunk). Captain called airport. I made turn to final, but overshot and started descent on top of other traffic. Got TCASII warning, corrected by steep turn. Causes: 1) didn't have airport (captain called it without me seeing it). 2) approach giving us a late descent. 3) tower giving us a 'slam dunk.' 4) captain heads down, programming due to late checklists. 5) fatigue on both of us. 6) communication between captain and first officer, only we got behind it. Progressed worse but we didn't realize we were behind till too late. Also, I think captain relaxed with me, so he didn't doublechk what I was doing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLC ARE DISTR AND MAKE A LATE ATTEMPT TO CONDUCT AN APCH AND ARE INVOLVED IN A TCASII RA INCIDENT TURNING FINAL TO MEM.
Narrative: WE WERE BUSY TALKING AND DIDN'T REALIZE HOW CLOSE WE WERE TO THE ARPT. SHOULD HAVE ASKED TO DSND. CTLR ASKED US TO DSND TO MAKE A FIX, ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE IT. WE TOLD HIM WE WOULD BE CLOSE. I GOT BUSY TRYING TO MAKE DSCNT. BEHIND ACFT. I MISSED PROC TURN. CAPT WAS BUSY, HEAD DOWN, PROGRAMMING FIXES TO RWY. HE CAUGHT IT HEADS UP. WE TURNED TOO LATE. ATC CORRECTED LATE TURN. LATER ON, GAVE US A QUICK TURN INTO BASE TO FINAL AHEAD OF OTHER TFC (SLAM DUNK). CAPT CALLED ARPT. I MADE TURN TO FINAL, BUT OVERSHOT AND STARTED DSCNT ON TOP OF OTHER TFC. GOT TCASII WARNING, CORRECTED BY STEEP TURN. CAUSES: 1) DIDN'T HAVE ARPT (CAPT CALLED IT WITHOUT ME SEEING IT). 2) APCH GIVING US A LATE DSCNT. 3) TWR GIVING US A 'SLAM DUNK.' 4) CAPT HEADS DOWN, PROGRAMMING DUE TO LATE CHKLISTS. 5) FATIGUE ON BOTH OF US. 6) COM BTWN CAPT AND FO, ONLY WE GOT BEHIND IT. PROGRESSED WORSE BUT WE DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE BEHIND TILL TOO LATE. ALSO, I THINK CAPT RELAXED WITH ME, SO HE DIDN'T DOUBLECHK WHAT I WAS DOING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.