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A cargo aircraft first officer reported that his crew was unable to comply with rjtg's crossing restr clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 513150 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200105 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : rjtg.artcc |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 34000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 513150 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : unable |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Flight from nrt (narita). Our pre departure clearance clearance was to climb to FL350 unrestr. We accepted. However, after takeoff, our clearance was changed to FL340 and that it be reached by pabba intersection. We initially thought we could make it, but informed tokyo control that we were unable. Tokyo asked us to make FL350 by sabes intersection. We were unable and they extended it to 30 NM past sabes. We said we would try. Immediately after this, we told tokyo that we could not make it by then either. Tokyo then ranted about us violating our clearance. At this point, we were non radar, etc. I do not feel we violated any clearance. They kept changing clrncs on us and we were hesitant to accept them. Tokyo control bucked themselves into a corner and tried to get us to exceed our aircraft's performance capabilities. Next time we will use more forceful language.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CARGO ACFT FO RPTED THAT HIS CREW WAS UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH RJTG'S XING RESTR CLRNC.
Narrative: FLT FROM NRT (NARITA). OUR PDC CLRNC WAS TO CLB TO FL350 UNRESTR. WE ACCEPTED. HOWEVER, AFTER TKOF, OUR CLRNC WAS CHANGED TO FL340 AND THAT IT BE REACHED BY PABBA INTXN. WE INITIALLY THOUGHT WE COULD MAKE IT, BUT INFORMED TOKYO CTL THAT WE WERE UNABLE. TOKYO ASKED US TO MAKE FL350 BY SABES INTXN. WE WERE UNABLE AND THEY EXTENDED IT TO 30 NM PAST SABES. WE SAID WE WOULD TRY. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS, WE TOLD TOKYO THAT WE COULD NOT MAKE IT BY THEN EITHER. TOKYO THEN RANTED ABOUT US VIOLATING OUR CLRNC. AT THIS POINT, WE WERE NON RADAR, ETC. I DO NOT FEEL WE VIOLATED ANY CLRNC. THEY KEPT CHANGING CLRNCS ON US AND WE WERE HESITANT TO ACCEPT THEM. TOKYO CTL BUCKED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER AND TRIED TO GET US TO EXCEED OUR ACFT'S PERFORMANCE CAPABILITIES. NEXT TIME WE WILL USE MORE FORCEFUL LANGUAGE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.