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Attributes | |
ACN | 513761 |
Time | |
Date | 200105 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : cxr.vor |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 20000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc artcc : zjx.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 513761 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were flying at FL200 at an indicated airspeed of 250 KTS. We had been in cruise flight for some time after departing buf en route to cle. About halfway between jhw VOR and cxr VOR, we were asked to say speed by the center controller. We informed him 'we were indicating 250 KTS. What speed did we need.' he informed us he needed 300 KTS, which we immediately accelerated to. He then asked us why we were going so slow. I told him we had no reason. He then informed us that he thought we were a turboprop! He also said that there was an far that requires us to notify him if we were flying slow. I also acknowledged that he was right that is an far. We did forget to inform him that we were not flying at our redline speed which I feel he was expecting us to fly at but at a much slower speed. We were in his sector for some time but he didn't once ask us our speed until it possibly caused a conflict with a faster aircraft behind us. I feel although we did not report our slow speed which is the primary factor in this report, he assumed we would fly as fast as we could. Also our dispatch filed us at our redline airspeed which is not easy to maintain because of the overspd protection and lack of autothrottles in the plane.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZOB CTLR QUESTIONS E145 FLC FOR 'SLOW FLT.'
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING AT FL200 AT AN INDICATED AIRSPD OF 250 KTS. WE HAD BEEN IN CRUISE FLT FOR SOME TIME AFTER DEPARTING BUF ENRTE TO CLE. ABOUT HALFWAY BTWN JHW VOR AND CXR VOR, WE WERE ASKED TO SAY SPD BY THE CTR CTLR. WE INFORMED HIM 'WE WERE INDICATING 250 KTS. WHAT SPD DID WE NEED.' HE INFORMED US HE NEEDED 300 KTS, WHICH WE IMMEDIATELY ACCELERATED TO. HE THEN ASKED US WHY WE WERE GOING SO SLOW. I TOLD HIM WE HAD NO REASON. HE THEN INFORMED US THAT HE THOUGHT WE WERE A TURBOPROP! HE ALSO SAID THAT THERE WAS AN FAR THAT REQUIRES US TO NOTIFY HIM IF WE WERE FLYING SLOW. I ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS RIGHT THAT IS AN FAR. WE DID FORGET TO INFORM HIM THAT WE WERE NOT FLYING AT OUR REDLINE SPD WHICH I FEEL HE WAS EXPECTING US TO FLY AT BUT AT A MUCH SLOWER SPD. WE WERE IN HIS SECTOR FOR SOME TIME BUT HE DIDN'T ONCE ASK US OUR SPD UNTIL IT POSSIBLY CAUSED A CONFLICT WITH A FASTER ACFT BEHIND US. I FEEL ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT RPT OUR SLOW SPD WHICH IS THE PRIMARY FACTOR IN THIS RPT, HE ASSUMED WE WOULD FLY AS FAST AS WE COULD. ALSO OUR DISPATCH FILED US AT OUR REDLINE AIRSPD WHICH IS NOT EASY TO MAINTAIN BECAUSE OF THE OVERSPD PROTECTION AND LACK OF AUTOTHROTTLES IN THE PLANE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.