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B737-200 captain observes first officer challenged by a non-automated cockpit and misses a speed reduction until made aware by sct controller.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 514452 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200106 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : sfo.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-200 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 24r |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 3500 |
| ASRS Report | 514452 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to original clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Aircraft Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First officer flying, I was PNF. First officer relatively new, 5 months with company. First officer having a hard time keeping up with the aircraft and flight director on the B737-200. We were told to maintain 250 KTS. I was busy with the radios and watching the first officer fight the aircraft. I was mostly paying attention to his inability to stay on the localizer. When the controller asked 'speed,' we were at 225 KTS. We speed up. Our company flies a mix of mostly B737-300 that have glass cockpits, fully automated with good autoplts and good autothrottles. When flying the B737-200's, which happens rarely, the new people fall way behind due to their loss of flying ability with the automated cockpits. I should have taken over the flying since the first officer was struggling so much. This B737-200 had SP77 autoplt and no autothrottles.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-200 CAPT OBSERVES FO CHALLENGED BY A NON-AUTOMATED COCKPIT AND MISSES A SPD REDUCTION UNTIL MADE AWARE BY SCT CTLR.
Narrative: FO FLYING, I WAS PNF. FO RELATIVELY NEW, 5 MONTHS WITH COMPANY. FO HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE ACFT AND FLT DIRECTOR ON THE B737-200. WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 250 KTS. I WAS BUSY WITH THE RADIOS AND WATCHING THE FO FIGHT THE ACFT. I WAS MOSTLY PAYING ATTN TO HIS INABILITY TO STAY ON THE LOC. WHEN THE CTLR ASKED 'SPD,' WE WERE AT 225 KTS. WE SPD UP. OUR COMPANY FLIES A MIX OF MOSTLY B737-300 THAT HAVE GLASS COCKPITS, FULLY AUTOMATED WITH GOOD AUTOPLTS AND GOOD AUTOTHROTTLES. WHEN FLYING THE B737-200'S, WHICH HAPPENS RARELY, THE NEW PEOPLE FALL WAY BEHIND DUE TO THEIR LOSS OF FLYING ABILITY WITH THE AUTOMATED COCKPITS. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER THE FLYING SINCE THE FO WAS STRUGGLING SO MUCH. THIS B737-200 HAD SP77 AUTOPLT AND NO AUTOTHROTTLES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.