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Attributes | |
ACN | 515121 |
Time | |
Date | 200106 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : luk.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 2800 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 515121 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Upon landing at lunken airport (kluk), we were given taxi instructions to back taxi on runway 25 then runway 3L to taxiway charlie, then to the FBO. During taxi the tower queried, 'are you below 12500 pounds?' we responded, 'yes.' (we were on a very short reposition flight from kind to kluk.) we fly into kluk regularly and had received NOTAMS prior to this flight and had reviewed the commercial airport diagram and we still had not seen any weight restriction. When we replied we believed we were still below 12500 pounds. (It was close). We called the tower after shutdown to make sure there was no weight restriction for takeoff. (If so, we would re-fuel at another location.) the tower told us the weight restriction applied only to the back taxi on 3L, which was the short runway. We thanked them for the information and told then we had no information on it anywhere including NOTAMS we asked where it was published. The tower wasn't quite sure, but mentioned the name of some federal publication we hadn't heard of and didn't know where to find (nor did he). The tower was surprised it wasn't on the commercial airport diagram or in the NOTAMS. We were not queried beyond the first question and I have no reason to believe there was any problem. This report is being made in an effort to be cautious. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the weight restriction came as a surprise, because it was not mentioned in the NOTAMS nor was it published on the commercial charts. Her company provides, through the 'flight operations manual,' information on 'special use airports,' but the crews must rely on NOTAMS and commercial charts for situations like this.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE40 CREW TAXIED ON A WEIGHT RESTRICTED RWY.
Narrative: UPON LNDG AT LUNKEN ARPT (KLUK), WE WERE GIVEN TAXI INSTRUCTIONS TO BACK TAXI ON RWY 25 THEN RWY 3L TO TXWY CHARLIE, THEN TO THE FBO. DURING TAXI THE TWR QUERIED, 'ARE YOU BELOW 12500 LBS?' WE RESPONDED, 'YES.' (WE WERE ON A VERY SHORT REPOSITION FLT FROM KIND TO KLUK.) WE FLY INTO KLUK REGULARLY AND HAD RECEIVED NOTAMS PRIOR TO THIS FLT AND HAD REVIEWED THE COMMERCIAL ARPT DIAGRAM AND WE STILL HAD NOT SEEN ANY WT RESTRICTION. WHEN WE REPLIED WE BELIEVED WE WERE STILL BELOW 12500 LBS. (IT WAS CLOSE). WE CALLED THE TWR AFTER SHUTDOWN TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO WT RESTRICTION FOR TKOF. (IF SO, WE WOULD RE-FUEL AT ANOTHER LOCATION.) THE TWR TOLD US THE WT RESTRICTION APPLIED ONLY TO THE BACK TAXI ON 3L, WHICH WAS THE SHORT RWY. WE THANKED THEM FOR THE INFO AND TOLD THEN WE HAD NO INFO ON IT ANYWHERE INCLUDING NOTAMS WE ASKED WHERE IT WAS PUBLISHED. THE TWR WASN'T QUITE SURE, BUT MENTIONED THE NAME OF SOME FEDERAL PUBLICATION WE HADN'T HEARD OF AND DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND (NOR DID HE). THE TWR WAS SURPRISED IT WASN'T ON THE COMMERCIAL ARPT DIAGRAM OR IN THE NOTAMS. WE WERE NOT QUERIED BEYOND THE FIRST QUESTION AND I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY PROB. THIS RPT IS BEING MADE IN AN EFFORT TO BE CAUTIOUS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE WT RESTRICTION CAME AS A SURPRISE, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT MENTIONED IN THE NOTAMS NOR WAS IT PUBLISHED ON THE COMMERCIAL CHARTS. HER COMPANY PROVIDES, THROUGH THE 'FLT OPS MANUAL,' INFO ON 'SPECIAL USE ARPTS,' BUT THE CREWS MUST RELY ON NOTAMS AND COMMERCIAL CHARTS FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.