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An S80 PIC complaint of too closely spaced traffic on runway ahead when he is cleared for takeoff at ord, il.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 516292 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200106 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 516292 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.comrdo |
Narrative:
This is the second time I have been cleared for takeoff with the preceding departure still on the runway. In fact, it had not even rotated. This is a very unsafe condition. What happens if the jet in front of me aborts. Am I supposed to fly the airplane, monitor the engines, and make sure that the aircraft in front of me really takes off. The first time I was slow in adding power so tower penalized me by having us clear the runway and get back in line for takeoff. Last time the controller's exact words were 'he will be 6000 ft down the runway.' we had 5 KTS of tailwind and he did not rotate until well over 6000 ft down the runway. The last time I was required to do formation takeoffs I had an ejection seat and no passenger on board. I will not go to takeoff power until I am assured that the aircraft in front of me will really take off. This is not a safe procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN S80 PIC COMPLAINT OF TOO CLOSELY SPACED TFC ON RWY AHEAD WHEN HE IS CLRED FOR TKOF AT ORD, IL.
Narrative: THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I HAVE BEEN CLRED FOR TKOF WITH THE PRECEDING DEP STILL ON THE RWY. IN FACT, IT HAD NOT EVEN ROTATED. THIS IS A VERY UNSAFE CONDITION. WHAT HAPPENS IF THE JET IN FRONT OF ME ABORTS. AM I SUPPOSED TO FLY THE AIRPLANE, MONITOR THE ENGS, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE ACFT IN FRONT OF ME REALLY TAKES OFF. THE FIRST TIME I WAS SLOW IN ADDING PWR SO TWR PENALIZED ME BY HAVING US CLR THE RWY AND GET BACK IN LINE FOR TKOF. LAST TIME THE CTLR'S EXACT WORDS WERE 'HE WILL BE 6000 FT DOWN THE RWY.' WE HAD 5 KTS OF TAILWIND AND HE DID NOT ROTATE UNTIL WELL OVER 6000 FT DOWN THE RWY. THE LAST TIME I WAS REQUIRED TO DO FORMATION TKOFS I HAD AN EJECTION SEAT AND NO PAX ON BOARD. I WILL NOT GO TO TKOF PWR UNTIL I AM ASSURED THAT THE ACFT IN FRONT OF ME WILL REALLY TAKE OFF. THIS IS NOT A SAFE PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.