Using visual references, an unauthorized cle class B entry occurred after takeoff VFR in hopes of be...

Attributes
ACN	516750
Time
Date	200107
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : cle.airport
State Reference	OH
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3700
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air taxi
Make Model Name	Falcon 20FJF/20C/20D/20E/20F
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air taxi
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 94 flight time total : 5686 flight time type : 161
ASRS Report	516750
Events
Anomaly	airspace violation : entry non adherence : far
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited penetrated airspace
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Facility
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While preparing to depart lpr for ilg, we attempted to contact cleveland approach for our IFR clearance. We were unable to contact cleveland approach despite numerous calls. Assuming that our communication problem was due to ground interference, and since the WX was clear, plus the fact that our freight was urgently needed at our destination, the captain decided to depart under VFR and get our IFR clearance after becoming airborne. As we were about to depart runway 7 at lpr, we noted numerous light aircraft in the traffic pattern participating in training and/or arrival for a scheduled event at lpr. The captain decided, for safety reasons, to depart the traffic pattern toward the sse rather than attempt to mix with slower aircraft in lpr's traffic pattern. Beginning at approximately 500 ft AGL, we attempted to contact cleveland approach as our navigation radios were set to canton VOR (our 1ST navigation fix). The captain attempted to remain clear of cleveland's class 'B' using visual estimates. The captain leveled the aircraft at 3700 ft MSL believing we were outside the 3000 ft class B ring. Finally, again after numerous tries, we contacted cleveland approach. When we received our transponder code, we were told we were inside class B and to immediately descend to 3000 ft, (which we complied with), and to contact cleveland approach on another frequency for our clearance. After we received our clearance, we were told to contact cleveland approach by phone when we landed at ilg. We noted that all the frequencys had been particularly 'quiet' and the flight proceeded without further incident. After arrival at ilg, the captain called cleveland approach and was told that they showed us at 4200 ft and 10 DME from cleveland (inside class B). Cleveland further advised the captain that there were no aircraft affected by our incursion into the class B as there were none in our vicinity, confirming our 'quiet frequency' suspicion.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: USING VISUAL REFS, AN UNAUTH CLE CLASS B ENTRY OCCURRED AFTER TKOF VFR IN HOPES OF BEING ABLE TO GET IFR CLRNC IN THE AIR AFTER BEING UNSUCCESSFUL ON THE GND AT LPR, OH.

Narrative: WHILE PREPARING TO DEPART LPR FOR ILG, WE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT CLEVELAND APCH FOR OUR IFR CLRNC. WE WERE UNABLE TO CONTACT CLEVELAND APCH DESPITE NUMEROUS CALLS. ASSUMING THAT OUR COM PROB WAS DUE TO GND INTERFERENCE, AND SINCE THE WX WAS CLR, PLUS THE FACT THAT OUR FREIGHT WAS URGENTLY NEEDED AT OUR DEST, THE CAPT DECIDED TO DEPART UNDER VFR AND GET OUR IFR CLRNC AFTER BECOMING AIRBORNE. AS WE WERE ABOUT TO DEPART RWY 7 AT LPR, WE NOTED NUMEROUS LIGHT ACFT IN THE TFC PATTERN PARTICIPATING IN TRAINING AND/OR ARR FOR A SCHEDULED EVENT AT LPR. THE CAPT DECIDED, FOR SAFETY REASONS, TO DEPART THE TFC PATTERN TOWARD THE SSE RATHER THAN ATTEMPT TO MIX WITH SLOWER ACFT IN LPR'S TFC PATTERN. BEGINNING AT APPROX 500 FT AGL, WE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT CLEVELAND APCH AS OUR NAV RADIOS WERE SET TO CANTON VOR (OUR 1ST NAV FIX). THE CAPT ATTEMPTED TO REMAIN CLR OF CLEVELAND'S CLASS 'B' USING VISUAL ESTIMATES. THE CAPT LEVELED THE ACFT AT 3700 FT MSL BELIEVING WE WERE OUTSIDE THE 3000 FT CLASS B RING. FINALLY, AGAIN AFTER NUMEROUS TRIES, WE CONTACTED CLEVELAND APCH. WHEN WE RECEIVED OUR XPONDER CODE, WE WERE TOLD WE WERE INSIDE CLASS B AND TO IMMEDIATELY DSND TO 3000 FT, (WHICH WE COMPLIED WITH), AND TO CONTACT CLEVELAND APCH ON ANOTHER FREQ FOR OUR CLRNC. AFTER WE RECEIVED OUR CLRNC, WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT CLEVELAND APCH BY PHONE WHEN WE LANDED AT ILG. WE NOTED THAT ALL THE FREQS HAD BEEN PARTICULARLY 'QUIET' AND THE FLT PROCEEDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. AFTER ARR AT ILG, THE CAPT CALLED CLEVELAND APCH AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY SHOWED US AT 4200 FT AND 10 DME FROM CLEVELAND (INSIDE CLASS B). CLEVELAND FURTHER ADVISED THE CAPT THAT THERE WERE NO ACFT AFFECTED BY OUR INCURSION INTO THE CLASS B AS THERE WERE NONE IN OUR VICINITY, CONFIRMING OUR 'QUIET FREQ' SUSPICION.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Using visual references, an unauthorized cle class B entry occurred after takeoff VFR in hopes of being able to get IFR clearance in the air after being unsuccessful on the ground at lpr, oh.