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Attributes | |
ACN | 517317 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | landing : roll ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 517317 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe ground encounters other incursion : runway non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were cleared to lnd on 28L and informed that an aircraft would be crossing 28L before our arrival. On short final we realized that the aircraft a 747 was not completely over the hold short line for 28L. The tail was over the line and the nose of the aircraft was well short of the hold short line for 28R. The controller apparently did not see this and no warnings were given. The tail was well off the runway and I judged that clearance was adequate and safe. I believe the B747 pilot realized that he was not far enough forward and may have added thrust to move up. Just as we were crossing behind him we caught a pretty good wake or jet blast. I was able to maintain control and landed although it wasn't pretty. After parking I contacted the sfo tower and discussed the event with them and possible ways to avoid similar occurrences in the future. It might be considered a technicality with a tail just over the hold short line but I think in the future I will just go around. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter says after arriving at the terminal he called the tower supervisor to discuss the incident. The reporter was told that nothing unusual was noticed by the local controller and that holding large aircraft between the runways is a fairly common practice.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 LNDG SFO ON RWY 28L RECEIVED THRUST BLAST FROM A B-747 HOLDING BTWN RWYS 28L AND RWY 28R. IT ALSO APPEARED TO THE LNDG PLT THAT THE B-747 WAS NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR OF RWY 28L.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO LND ON 28L AND INFORMED THAT AN ACFT WOULD BE XING 28L BEFORE OUR ARR. ON SHORT FINAL WE REALIZED THAT THE ACFT A 747 WAS NOT COMPLETELY OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR 28L. THE TAIL WAS OVER THE LINE AND THE NOSE OF THE ACFT WAS WELL SHORT OF THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR 28R. THE CTLR APPARENTLY DID NOT SEE THIS AND NO WARNINGS WERE GIVEN. THE TAIL WAS WELL OFF THE RWY AND I JUDGED THAT CLRNC WAS ADEQUATE AND SAFE. I BELIEVE THE B747 PLT REALIZED THAT HE WAS NOT FAR ENOUGH FORWARD AND MAY HAVE ADDED THRUST TO MOVE UP. JUST AS WE WERE XING BEHIND HIM WE CAUGHT A PRETTY GOOD WAKE OR JET BLAST. I WAS ABLE TO MAINTAIN CTL AND LANDED ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T PRETTY. AFTER PARKING I CONTACTED THE SFO TWR AND DISCUSSED THE EVENT WITH THEM AND POSSIBLE WAYS TO AVOID SIMILAR OCCURRENCES IN THE FUTURE. IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A TECHNICALITY WITH A TAIL JUST OVER THE HOLD SHORT LINE BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE I WILL JUST GO AROUND. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR SAYS AFTER ARRIVING AT THE TERMINAL HE CALLED THE TWR SUPERVISOR TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENT. THE RPTR WAS TOLD THAT NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS NOTICED BY THE LCL CTLR AND THAT HOLDING LARGE ACFT BTWN THE RWYS IS A FAIRLY COMMON PRACTICE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.