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Attributes | |
ACN | 517740 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gso.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 517740 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
On departure air carrier X, we were cleared to 12000 ft. We were filed for 11000 ft and historically we are always cleared to 10000 ft. Same crew has flown this trip many times. When told 12000 ft on departure everyone looked at one another and questioned why, so once again the captain asked to verify 12000 ft. He was told 12000 ft again. After being level at 12000 ft for 30 seconds the greensboro departure controller asked us why we were not at 10000 ft. We told him he cleared us to 12000 ft numerous times. He disagreed, told us it was no big deal, and had us descend back to 10000 ft. We were not aware if there was a conflict, but from his demeanor we would say no.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 FLT CREW AND CTLR DISAGREE ON ASSIGNED ALT AFTER FLT CREW RE-VERIFIED THE ALT.
Narrative: ON DEP ACR X, WE WERE CLRED TO 12000 FT. WE WERE FILED FOR 11000 FT AND HISTORICALLY WE ARE ALWAYS CLRED TO 10000 FT. SAME CREW HAS FLOWN THIS TRIP MANY TIMES. WHEN TOLD 12000 FT ON DEP EVERYONE LOOKED AT ONE ANOTHER AND QUESTIONED WHY, SO ONCE AGAIN THE CAPT ASKED TO VERIFY 12000 FT. HE WAS TOLD 12000 FT AGAIN. AFTER BEING LEVEL AT 12000 FT FOR 30 SECONDS THE GREENSBORO DEP CTLR ASKED US WHY WE WERE NOT AT 10000 FT. WE TOLD HIM HE CLRED US TO 12000 FT NUMEROUS TIMES. HE DISAGREED, TOLD US IT WAS NO BIG DEAL, AND HAD US DSND BACK TO 10000 FT. WE WERE NOT AWARE IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT, BUT FROM HIS DEMEANOR WE WOULD SAY NO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.