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Attributes | |
ACN | 519590 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mcn.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 519590 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
I have a concern, or perhaps a question, regarding instrument departure procedures. I was the jumpseat rider. Our clearance was mcn.V35,sinca.SINCA3.atl. When it came time to take off, tower gave us 'runway 5, cleared for takeoff, cleared on course.' the quote may not be correct, but I know that the words 'on course' were used. This crew took off and turned left to join V35. That's what most people would do. I'm sure that's what tower intended. With that clearance, however, it's my understanding that the crew could have followed the instrument departure procedure at their option. Had they done so in this case, they would have conflicted with traffic in the pattern at robins AFB. I've had questions in my own mind about departure procedures for yrs, and I've never resolved them to my satisfaction. Frankly, if I can't find the answers, then the answers are too hard to find. I think that there should be clrer guidance to both pilots and controllers about when a departure procedure is to be flown.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A JUMPSEATER QUESTIONS THE DEP PROC OUT OF MCN.
Narrative: I HAVE A CONCERN, OR PERHAPS A QUESTION, REGARDING INST DEP PROCS. I WAS THE JUMPSEAT RIDER. OUR CLRNC WAS MCN.V35,SINCA.SINCA3.ATL. WHEN IT CAME TIME TO TAKE OFF, TWR GAVE US 'RWY 5, CLRED FOR TKOF, CLRED ON COURSE.' THE QUOTE MAY NOT BE CORRECT, BUT I KNOW THAT THE WORDS 'ON COURSE' WERE USED. THIS CREW TOOK OFF AND TURNED L TO JOIN V35. THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD DO. I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT TWR INTENDED. WITH THAT CLRNC, HOWEVER, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CREW COULD HAVE FOLLOWED THE INST DEP PROC AT THEIR OPTION. HAD THEY DONE SO IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULD HAVE CONFLICTED WITH TFC IN THE PATTERN AT ROBINS AFB. I'VE HAD QUESTIONS IN MY OWN MIND ABOUT DEP PROCS FOR YRS, AND I'VE NEVER RESOLVED THEM TO MY SATISFACTION. FRANKLY, IF I CAN'T FIND THE ANSWERS, THEN THE ANSWERS ARE TOO HARD TO FIND. I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE CLRER GUIDANCE TO BOTH PLTS AND CTLRS ABOUT WHEN A DEP PROC IS TO BE FLOWN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.