A cl-65 captain does not want to increase the rate of descent to meet the crossing restr.

Attributes
ACN	519620
Time
Date	200108
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	intersection : tiger
State Reference	OH
Altitude	msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 17000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	arrival star : cince 4
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 12 flight time total : 4517 flight time type : 2175
ASRS Report	762
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

While inbound on the cince 4 arrival, ATC cleared us to cross 10 NM northeast of tigrr intersection at 11000 ft. We acknowledged the clearance and the captain began to descend. The rate of descent was only about 1/2 of the 4500 FPM the VNAV said was required, so I inquired about the captain's intentions. He did not want to descend any more steeply and was content to be 'a little high' on the crossing. We would have been a lot high and 10 mi past the crossing fix upon reaching the assigned altitude. After some discussion we decided to inform ATC about the situation. ATC gave us an amended clearance and made no complaints. The airplane was capable of descending in excess of 6000 FPM near mmo at flight idle and flight spoilers extended. The captain certainly did not have to use this capability if he chose not to, but in this case 'a little high' was too high. An ATC clearance requiring that descent rate doesn't seem like a good plan either. At least with some communication and adjustment it all worked out.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A CL-65 CAPT DOES NOT WANT TO INCREASE THE RATE OF DSCNT TO MEET THE XING RESTR.

Narrative: WHILE INBOUND ON THE CINCE 4 ARR, ATC CLRED US TO CROSS 10 NM NE OF TIGRR INTXN AT 11000 FT. WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE CLRNC AND THE CAPT BEGAN TO DSND. THE RATE OF DSCNT WAS ONLY ABOUT 1/2 OF THE 4500 FPM THE VNAV SAID WAS REQUIRED, SO I INQUIRED ABOUT THE CAPT'S INTENTIONS. HE DID NOT WANT TO DSND ANY MORE STEEPLY AND WAS CONTENT TO BE 'A LITTLE HIGH' ON THE XING. WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT HIGH AND 10 MI PAST THE XING FIX UPON REACHING THE ASSIGNED ALT. AFTER SOME DISCUSSION WE DECIDED TO INFORM ATC ABOUT THE SIT. ATC GAVE US AN AMENDED CLRNC AND MADE NO COMPLAINTS. THE AIRPLANE WAS CAPABLE OF DSNDING IN EXCESS OF 6000 FPM NEAR MMO AT FLT IDLE AND FLT SPOILERS EXTENDED. THE CAPT CERTAINLY DID NOT HAVE TO USE THIS CAPABILITY IF HE CHOSE NOT TO, BUT IN THIS CASE 'A LITTLE HIGH' WAS TOO HIGH. AN ATC CLRNC REQUIRING THAT DSCNT RATE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD PLAN EITHER. AT LEAST WITH SOME COM AND ADJUSTMENT IT ALL WORKED OUT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.