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Attributes | |
ACN | 519704 |
Time | |
Date | 200107 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gpm.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 400 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 519704 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited penetrated airspace |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Approximately 10 mi ese of dfw class B, contacted approach, asked for clearance through class B to gpm. Told to 2500 ft, fly 'north' of redbird airport (rbd) then direct gpm. When I was about 2 mi north of redbird, I called my position to approach and asked if I could begin a descent to gpm. He told me in a nice conversational tone that he'd been 'talking' to redbird, they knew I was there, that I could begin my descent, head to gpm and contact gpm. I thanked him and switched frequency (he did not tell me to squawk VFR). After I landed at gpm, tower told me that redbird called and said I busted their airspace. I told them I was talking to approach and had a squawk code. He said he'd call them back. I called again to ask what redbird said. Gpm told me that no one called them and that I went through their airspace without authority/authorized and that I switched to 1200 while in their airspace...? Was not me. I have seen this once before with phoenix approach versus scottsdale tower -- is this a turf battle?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C182 PLT CHALLENGED BY GPM CTLR ABOUT RFD AIRSPACE PENETRATION WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Narrative: APPROX 10 MI ESE OF DFW CLASS B, CONTACTED APCH, ASKED FOR CLRNC THROUGH CLASS B TO GPM. TOLD TO 2500 FT, FLY 'N' OF REDBIRD ARPT (RBD) THEN DIRECT GPM. WHEN I WAS ABOUT 2 MI N OF REDBIRD, I CALLED MY POS TO APCH AND ASKED IF I COULD BEGIN A DSCNT TO GPM. HE TOLD ME IN A NICE CONVERSATIONAL TONE THAT HE'D BEEN 'TALKING' TO REDBIRD, THEY KNEW I WAS THERE, THAT I COULD BEGIN MY DSCNT, HEAD TO GPM AND CONTACT GPM. I THANKED HIM AND SWITCHED FREQ (HE DID NOT TELL ME TO SQUAWK VFR). AFTER I LANDED AT GPM, TWR TOLD ME THAT REDBIRD CALLED AND SAID I BUSTED THEIR AIRSPACE. I TOLD THEM I WAS TALKING TO APCH AND HAD A SQUAWK CODE. HE SAID HE'D CALL THEM BACK. I CALLED AGAIN TO ASK WHAT REDBIRD SAID. GPM TOLD ME THAT NO ONE CALLED THEM AND THAT I WENT THROUGH THEIR AIRSPACE WITHOUT AUTH AND THAT I SWITCHED TO 1200 WHILE IN THEIR AIRSPACE...? WAS NOT ME. I HAVE SEEN THIS ONCE BEFORE WITH PHOENIX APCH VERSUS SCOTTSDALE TWR -- IS THIS A TURF BATTLE?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.