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Attributes | |
ACN | 520510 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 4700 |
ASRS Report | 520510 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While being vectored for a visual approach, at approximately 17 NM from den airport, the first officer (PF) began a speed reduction to 220 KTS (per our profile). Approach control queried us on our speed. We advised slowing to 220 KTS. Approach control then asked if we had been assigned 220 KTS. We told him no. He then advised us that our crossing speed at the arrival fix (some 35 mi from the airport) was our last assigned speed -- 250 KTS. The controller then cleared us to slow to 210 KTS and to descend to 11000 ft, then handed us off to the final controller. I have been operating into dia at den for 10 yrs and this was the first time I have been corrected for this type of speed reduction. Our flight manual profiles provide for stabilized, controled dscnts, and, to my understanding, ZDV and our flight operations representatives have met on numerous occasions to discuss just this issue. I do not know if a loss of separation actually occurred, but the approach controller was very concerned about our speed reduction. In the future, I will always ask for a reduction before accomplishing one.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLT CREW SLOWS ON AN APCH AND THE APCH CTLR SAID THEY WERE NOT CLRED TO SLOW.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED FOR A VISUAL APCH, AT APPROX 17 NM FROM DEN ARPT, THE FO (PF) BEGAN A SPD REDUCTION TO 220 KTS (PER OUR PROFILE). APCH CTL QUERIED US ON OUR SPD. WE ADVISED SLOWING TO 220 KTS. APCH CTL THEN ASKED IF WE HAD BEEN ASSIGNED 220 KTS. WE TOLD HIM NO. HE THEN ADVISED US THAT OUR XING SPD AT THE ARR FIX (SOME 35 MI FROM THE ARPT) WAS OUR LAST ASSIGNED SPD -- 250 KTS. THE CTLR THEN CLRED US TO SLOW TO 210 KTS AND TO DSND TO 11000 FT, THEN HANDED US OFF TO THE FINAL CTLR. I HAVE BEEN OPERATING INTO DIA AT DEN FOR 10 YRS AND THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN CORRECTED FOR THIS TYPE OF SPD REDUCTION. OUR FLT MANUAL PROFILES PROVIDE FOR STABILIZED, CTLED DSCNTS, AND, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ZDV AND OUR FLT OPS REPRESENTATIVES HAVE MET ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS TO DISCUSS JUST THIS ISSUE. I DO NOT KNOW IF A LOSS OF SEPARATION ACTUALLY OCCURRED, BUT THE APCH CTLR WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR SPD REDUCTION. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL ALWAYS ASK FOR A REDUCTION BEFORE ACCOMPLISHING ONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.