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Attributes | |
ACN | 520938 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zmp.artcc |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zmp.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 520938 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 2951 flight time type : 275 |
ASRS Report | 520939 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeter/dme other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overrode automation other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZMP cleared us to descend to cross twinz intersection at 11000 ft on the eau claire five arrival (eau.EAU5). The first officer was flying the aircraft and delayed initiating the descent beyond the point that I would have descended, presumably counting on a stronger headwind to aid in making the restr. I discussed the use of a descent planning computer, but he preferred to do the math in his head. We were behind in the descent and making some improvement while I was performing the descent check. The first officer increased the rate of descent to a maximum of approximately 8000 FPM during the latter stages of the descent, but ultimately failed to make the restr by about 3000 ft. I informed ZMP that we would be high at twinz intersection. I should have intervened earlier and been more emphatic about the need to increase the rate of descent with an earlier deployment of full spoilers. Supplemental information from acn 520939: nearing FL230, one of our flight attendants came up to the flight deck and engaged us in conversation. The captain and I continued to converse with the flight attendant. At about 18000 ft, the flight attendant left the flight deck. At the same time, it was becoming clear that I wasn't going to make twinz at 11000 ft at our current descent rate so I deployed the speed brakes. ATC inquired as to whether we were going to cross twinz at 11000 ft. The captain replied that we were doing our best by descending at approximately 6000 FPM. Shortly before crossing twinz at about 14000 ft, the captain told ATC we weren't going to make the restr. ATC then cleared us to just descend to 11000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC9-50 FO FAILED TO MAKE STAR XING FIX DUE MISS COMPUTING THE DSCNT RATE.
Narrative: ZMP CLRED US TO DSND TO CROSS TWINZ INTXN AT 11000 FT ON THE EAU CLAIRE FIVE ARR (EAU.EAU5). THE FO WAS FLYING THE ACFT AND DELAYED INITIATING THE DSCNT BEYOND THE POINT THAT I WOULD HAVE DSNDED, PRESUMABLY COUNTING ON A STRONGER HEADWIND TO AID IN MAKING THE RESTR. I DISCUSSED THE USE OF A DSCNT PLANNING COMPUTER, BUT HE PREFERRED TO DO THE MATH IN HIS HEAD. WE WERE BEHIND IN THE DSCNT AND MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENT WHILE I WAS PERFORMING THE DSCNT CHK. THE FO INCREASED THE RATE OF DSCNT TO A MAX OF APPROX 8000 FPM DURING THE LATTER STAGES OF THE DSCNT, BUT ULTIMATELY FAILED TO MAKE THE RESTR BY ABOUT 3000 FT. I INFORMED ZMP THAT WE WOULD BE HIGH AT TWINZ INTXN. I SHOULD HAVE INTERVENED EARLIER AND BEEN MORE EMPHATIC ABOUT THE NEED TO INCREASE THE RATE OF DSCNT WITH AN EARLIER DEPLOYMENT OF FULL SPOILERS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 520939: NEARING FL230, ONE OF OUR FLT ATTENDANTS CAME UP TO THE FLT DECK AND ENGAGED US IN CONVERSATION. THE CAPT AND I CONTINUED TO CONVERSE WITH THE FLT ATTENDANT. AT ABOUT 18000 FT, THE FLT ATTENDANT LEFT THE FLT DECK. AT THE SAME TIME, IT WAS BECOMING CLR THAT I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE TWINZ AT 11000 FT AT OUR CURRENT DSCNT RATE SO I DEPLOYED THE SPD BRAKES. ATC INQUIRED AS TO WHETHER WE WERE GOING TO CROSS TWINZ AT 11000 FT. THE CAPT REPLIED THAT WE WERE DOING OUR BEST BY DSNDING AT APPROX 6000 FPM. SHORTLY BEFORE XING TWINZ AT ABOUT 14000 FT, THE CAPT TOLD ATC WE WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE THE RESTR. ATC THEN CLRED US TO JUST DSND TO 11000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.