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Attributes | |
ACN | 521651 |
Time | |
Date | 200108 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sli.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11500 msl bound upper : 15500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 25 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level cruise : enroute altitude change ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8600 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 521651 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 12400 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 521462 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were in a lear 25, cruising to W-291. We were talking to socal control west of sli at about 10 mi. Socal had asked us to maintain at or below 11500 ft. I then heard a transmission that sounded like expedite climb to 15500 ft. As PF, I initiated a climb to 15500 ft and the PNF was looking outside for other traffic. The radio system in the lear is set up with a hot microphone system, but because of distortion and static, the PNF turned off the hot microphone and I did not hear his xmissions to ATC. Since we had requested 15500 ft, I assumed we had been asked to climb to 15500 ft as soon as possible. I initiated a climb and as we neared 15000 ft we sighted a jetliner (I think a B737) descending at about our 2-3 O'clock position. I began a gentle left turn and noticed the airliner was in a gentle left turn. In my estimation, we never came closer than 1000 ft but we may have set off his TCASII. The PNF advised me that ATC had said not to climb above 15000 ft. I attribute the primary cause of this event to poor radio equipment in the lear, and the inability of the PF to hear the PNF's communications. However, we were VFR and saw the jetliner at least 3 mi from us. However, because ATC said they had not cleared us to climb the PNF (PIC) made a call to ATC after the flight to explain the communications problem in the lear and what our actions had been. The PIC and I discussed the need to stay on hot microphone and also to write up the radio and intercom system to be looked at when we returned to home base. Supplemental information from acn 521462: the flight was a practice flight for a future photo mission. The airplane departed on a VFR departure out of class C airspace to the southeast. Socal cleared us direct to seal beach. At this time the right seat pilot became occupied setting in coordinates in the GPS for a target waypoint in warning area 291. At this time the flight crew heard a transmission which included '15000 ft.' the flight crew did not ask for a clarification. The flight crew assumed that we were now free to climb to VFR above 11500 ft. No report that the climb was being made was transmitted. The airplane climbed and leveled off at 15500 ft. Socal called and requested the airplane's altitude. During the ensuing communications exchange socal called out conflicting traffic and requested that we descend immediately. The B737 made a descending left turn and passed approximately 1000 ft behind and 500 ft below. Upon completion of the flight a telephone call was made to the TRACON supervisor. A thorough discussion of events took place. The supervisor said that no violation would be filed by the TRACON since we were operating VFR in a see and be seen environment.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LEAR 25 FLC CLBED ABOVE THEIR ASSIGNED VFR ALT DUE TO MISUNDERSTANDING OF A CLRNC TO ANOTHER ACFT.
Narrative: WE WERE IN A LEAR 25, CRUISING TO W-291. WE WERE TALKING TO SOCAL CTL W OF SLI AT ABOUT 10 MI. SOCAL HAD ASKED US TO MAINTAIN AT OR BELOW 11500 FT. I THEN HEARD A XMISSION THAT SOUNDED LIKE EXPEDITE CLB TO 15500 FT. AS PF, I INITIATED A CLB TO 15500 FT AND THE PNF WAS LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR OTHER TFC. THE RADIO SYS IN THE LEAR IS SET UP WITH A HOT MIKE SYS, BUT BECAUSE OF DISTORTION AND STATIC, THE PNF TURNED OFF THE HOT MIKE AND I DID NOT HEAR HIS XMISSIONS TO ATC. SINCE WE HAD REQUESTED 15500 FT, I ASSUMED WE HAD BEEN ASKED TO CLB TO 15500 FT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I INITIATED A CLB AND AS WE NEARED 15000 FT WE SIGHTED A JETLINER (I THINK A B737) DSNDING AT ABOUT OUR 2-3 O'CLOCK POS. I BEGAN A GENTLE L TURN AND NOTICED THE AIRLINER WAS IN A GENTLE L TURN. IN MY ESTIMATION, WE NEVER CAME CLOSER THAN 1000 FT BUT WE MAY HAVE SET OFF HIS TCASII. THE PNF ADVISED ME THAT ATC HAD SAID NOT TO CLB ABOVE 15000 FT. I ATTRIBUTE THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF THIS EVENT TO POOR RADIO EQUIP IN THE LEAR, AND THE INABILITY OF THE PF TO HEAR THE PNF'S COMS. HOWEVER, WE WERE VFR AND SAW THE JETLINER AT LEAST 3 MI FROM US. HOWEVER, BECAUSE ATC SAID THEY HAD NOT CLRED US TO CLB THE PNF (PIC) MADE A CALL TO ATC AFTER THE FLT TO EXPLAIN THE COMS PROB IN THE LEAR AND WHAT OUR ACTIONS HAD BEEN. THE PIC AND I DISCUSSED THE NEED TO STAY ON HOT MIKE AND ALSO TO WRITE UP THE RADIO AND INTERCOM SYS TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN WE RETURNED TO HOME BASE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 521462: THE FLT WAS A PRACTICE FLT FOR A FUTURE PHOTO MISSION. THE AIRPLANE DEPARTED ON A VFR DEP OUT OF CLASS C AIRSPACE TO THE SE. SOCAL CLRED US DIRECT TO SEAL BEACH. AT THIS TIME THE R SEAT PLT BECAME OCCUPIED SETTING IN COORDINATES IN THE GPS FOR A TARGET WAYPOINT IN WARNING AREA 291. AT THIS TIME THE FLC HEARD A XMISSION WHICH INCLUDED '15000 FT.' THE FLC DID NOT ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION. THE FLC ASSUMED THAT WE WERE NOW FREE TO CLB TO VFR ABOVE 11500 FT. NO RPT THAT THE CLB WAS BEING MADE WAS XMITTED. THE AIRPLANE CLBED AND LEVELED OFF AT 15500 FT. SOCAL CALLED AND REQUESTED THE AIRPLANE'S ALT. DURING THE ENSUING COMS EXCHANGE SOCAL CALLED OUT CONFLICTING TFC AND REQUESTED THAT WE DSND IMMEDIATELY. THE B737 MADE A DSNDING L TURN AND PASSED APPROX 1000 FT BEHIND AND 500 FT BELOW. UPON COMPLETION OF THE FLT A TELEPHONE CALL WAS MADE TO THE TRACON SUPVR. A THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE. THE SUPVR SAID THAT NO VIOLATION WOULD BE FILED BY THE TRACON SINCE WE WERE OPERATING VFR IN A SEE AND BE SEEN ENVIRONMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.