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After hearing on ATIS that the first 1000 ft of the runway is closed, a piper malibu pilot lands 'on the numbers' of runway 21 when thinking the chevrons preceding the runway threshold are indicating the closed portion at gtf, mt.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 523495 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200108 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gtf.airport |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Turbulence |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : gtf.tower tracon : mdsd.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-46 Malibu |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 35 flight time total : 650 flight time type : 150 |
| ASRS Report | 523495 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | observation : passenger |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | excursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Facility ATC Human Performance Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Received ATIS which stated that the first 1000 ft of runway was closed. Upon landing at gtf, we noticed that the chevrons preceded runway by what we thought to be the first 1000 ft. We touched down on the numbers and were immediately asked if we received ATIS and why didn't we comply with first 1000 ft closure. We explained our understanding of the ATIS, but our response didn't seem adequate and the controller didn't want to discuss it further. It wasn't until we took off on the same runway that we saw a faint yellow line running across the runway that we assumed was the 1000 ft line. The ATIS instruction was unclr. The yellow line was faint and difficult to see. The controller was not helpful when asked. The chevrons appeared to be the first 1000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER HEARING ON ATIS THAT THE FIRST 1000 FT OF THE RWY IS CLOSED, A PIPER MALIBU PLT LANDS 'ON THE NUMBERS' OF RWY 21 WHEN THINKING THE CHEVRONS PRECEDING THE RWY THRESHOLD ARE INDICATING THE CLOSED PORTION AT GTF, MT.
Narrative: RECEIVED ATIS WHICH STATED THAT THE FIRST 1000 FT OF RWY WAS CLOSED. UPON LNDG AT GTF, WE NOTICED THAT THE CHEVRONS PRECEDED RWY BY WHAT WE THOUGHT TO BE THE FIRST 1000 FT. WE TOUCHED DOWN ON THE NUMBERS AND WERE IMMEDIATELY ASKED IF WE RECEIVED ATIS AND WHY DIDN'T WE COMPLY WITH FIRST 1000 FT CLOSURE. WE EXPLAINED OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ATIS, BUT OUR RESPONSE DIDN'T SEEM ADEQUATE AND THE CTLR DIDN'T WANT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER. IT WASN'T UNTIL WE TOOK OFF ON THE SAME RWY THAT WE SAW A FAINT YELLOW LINE RUNNING ACROSS THE RWY THAT WE ASSUMED WAS THE 1000 FT LINE. THE ATIS INSTRUCTION WAS UNCLR. THE YELLOW LINE WAS FAINT AND DIFFICULT TO SEE. THE CTLR WAS NOT HELPFUL WHEN ASKED. THE CHEVRONS APPEARED TO BE THE FIRST 1000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.