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Dfw supervisor questions but does not validate that the flight crew crossed runway 35C without a clearance.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 524152 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200109 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-500 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1800 |
| ASRS Report | 524152 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Landed runway 31R. Ground instructions were for romeo, follow air carrier Y on 'Y' hold short runway 35C. Then ground said air carrier X give way to air carrier Z MD80, left to right, contact ground 121.85 over bridge. We called back and asked confirm clear to cross runway 35C. Ground said yes, contact ground 121.85 over bridge. We gave way to MD80 on left and crossed runway 35C. Then same ground (121.65) came back and asked, air carrier X are you between runways (35C and 35L)? We said yes. He said hold short runway 35L, contact tower 126.55. We answered roger, tower 126.55, hold short runway 35L. Then tower asked air carrier X are you holding short runway 35L? We said yes. Controller said, cross runway 35L contact ground 121.85 over bridge. Then supervisor asked that we call tower when at the gate. Supervisor said we were not cleared to cross runway 35C. After talking about this, he said that it was not a big deal. He listed it as no fault no harm. Ground controller's instructions were given at a rate that was too fast to understand and had to ask to repeat instructions. Trying to have aircraft land on same side as gate. We should not have had 4 frequency changes from runway to gate. That is too many and leads to confusion. Ground controllers working 2 frequency at one time.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DFW SUPVR QUESTIONS BUT DOES NOT VALIDATE THAT THE FLT CREW CROSSED RWY 35C WITHOUT A CLRNC.
Narrative: LANDED RWY 31R. GND INSTRUCTIONS WERE FOR ROMEO, FOLLOW ACR Y ON 'Y' HOLD SHORT RWY 35C. THEN GND SAID ACR X GIVE WAY TO ACR Z MD80, L TO R, CONTACT GND 121.85 OVER BRIDGE. WE CALLED BACK AND ASKED CONFIRM CLR TO CROSS RWY 35C. GND SAID YES, CONTACT GND 121.85 OVER BRIDGE. WE GAVE WAY TO MD80 ON L AND CROSSED RWY 35C. THEN SAME GND (121.65) CAME BACK AND ASKED, ACR X ARE YOU BTWN RWYS (35C AND 35L)? WE SAID YES. HE SAID HOLD SHORT RWY 35L, CONTACT TWR 126.55. WE ANSWERED ROGER, TOWER 126.55, HOLD SHORT RWY 35L. THEN TWR ASKED ACR X ARE YOU HOLDING SHORT RWY 35L? WE SAID YES. CTLR SAID, CROSS RWY 35L CONTACT GND 121.85 OVER BRIDGE. THEN SUPVR ASKED THAT WE CALL TWR WHEN AT THE GATE. SUPVR SAID WE WERE NOT CLEARED TO CROSS RWY 35C. AFTER TALKING ABOUT THIS, HE SAID THAT IT WAS NOT A BIG DEAL. HE LISTED IT AS NO FAULT NO HARM. GND CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS WERE GIVEN AT A RATE THAT WAS TOO FAST TO UNDERSTAND AND HAD TO ASK TO REPEAT INSTRUCTIONS. TRYING TO HAVE ACFT LAND ON SAME SIDE AS GATE. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD 4 FREQ CHANGES FROM RWY TO GATE. THAT IS TOO MANY AND LEADS TO CONFUSION. GND CTLRS WORKING 2 FREQ AT ONE TIME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.