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Attributes | |
ACN | 524213 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea.airport |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1400 agl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : s46.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 16r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach ground : parked |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 188 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2486 |
ASRS Report | 524213 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : exited adverse environment none taken : insufficient time |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Company Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were just coming back from a 3 day trip. On descent into seattle, we found out that all the arrs and approachs had been changed while we were gone. We did not have the current ILS approach to runway 16R. I asked the controller if we could do the old approach (which had the final approach fix at park) and he said no. Since I didn't have the new approach (which had some major changes in it), I asked again. He again said no. He cleared me for the ILS 16R. I started down on the old approach and broke out at about 1400 ft AGL. I was told to contact tower. I contacted tower and advised them we were on a 'visual' since I was unsure of what kind of approach I was really on. The rest of the landing was uneventful. I found out later that the airline that I work for had the chart revision, but that they were late out to the line pilots due to personnel taking vacation. They were distributed while we were on the road.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 FLC EXECUTE INST APCH WITHOUT CURRENT CHARTS.
Narrative: WE WERE JUST COMING BACK FROM A 3 DAY TRIP. ON DSCNT INTO SEATTLE, WE FOUND OUT THAT ALL THE ARRS AND APCHS HAD BEEN CHANGED WHILE WE WERE GONE. WE DID NOT HAVE THE CURRENT ILS APCH TO RWY 16R. I ASKED THE CTLR IF WE COULD DO THE OLD APPROACH (WHICH HAD THE FINAL APCH FIX AT PARK) AND HE SAID NO. SINCE I DIDN'T HAVE THE NEW APCH (WHICH HAD SOME MAJOR CHANGES IN IT), I ASKED AGAIN. HE AGAIN SAID NO. HE CLEARED ME FOR THE ILS 16R. I STARTED DOWN ON THE OLD APCH AND BROKE OUT AT ABOUT 1400 FT AGL. I WAS TOLD TO CONTACT TWR. I CONTACTED TWR AND ADVISED THEM WE WERE ON A 'VISUAL' SINCE I WAS UNSURE OF WHAT KIND OF APCH I WAS REALLY ON. THE REST OF THE LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL. I FOUND OUT LATER THAT THE AIRLINE THAT I WORK FOR HAD THE CHART REVISION, BUT THAT THEY WERE LATE OUT TO THE LINE PLTS DUE TO PERSONNEL TAKING VACATION. THEY WERE DISTRIBUTED WHILE WE WERE ON THE ROAD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.