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Attributes | |
ACN | 525199 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fsw.airport |
State Reference | IA |
Altitude | msl single value : 724 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : egcc.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation III, VI, VII |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
ASRS Report | 525199 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9215 flight time type : 778 |
ASRS Report | 525272 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were departing fsw on an IFR flight plan to mkc. We departed fsw VFR and almost immediately called ATC on 135.6 to pick up our IFR clearance. ATC responded by giving us a squawk code and told us to climb to 10000 ft. After a min or so, we were told to report back to fsw, close our flight plan and call flight service. We asked what the problem was. ATC responded that we were not supposed to leave the airport without a clearance on the ground. The controller also gave a number for the captain to call. We cancelled our flight plan and went back to fsw. The captain called and gave his credentials. Problem: we departed VFR when no VFR flts were allowed because of the 9/tue/01 bombings. The very next day we were allowed to pick up clrncs in the air. Solution: I don't know if there is one. This was a very unusual scenario. A lot of new rules were put into effect that week. Many rules were interpreted differently. For example: we heard another pilot get his clearance in the air. Another example: security varied widely from FBO to FBO. At one FBO, you had to be escorted to your aircraft. At another FBO, you had vehicles (private) drive up to aircraft. You also had FBO's where there was free movement through the security area. Very hard week for the whole nation to adjust to new rules and regulations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CESSNA CITATION FLT CREW TOOK OFF WITHOUT A FLT PLAN CLRNC WITH PLANS TO PICKUP AN IFR FLT PLAN AIRBORNE. HOWEVER, AFTER ARTCC ISSUED AN IFR CLRNC INITIALLY, THEY SUBSEQUENTLY INSTRUCTED THE FLT TO RETURN/LAND AND FILE BEFORE TKOF.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING FSW ON AN IFR FLT PLAN TO MKC. WE DEPARTED FSW VFR AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY CALLED ATC ON 135.6 TO PICK UP OUR IFR CLRNC. ATC RESPONDED BY GIVING US A SQUAWK CODE AND TOLD US TO CLIMB TO 10000 FT. AFTER A MIN OR SO, WE WERE TOLD TO REPORT BACK TO FSW, CLOSE OUR FLT PLAN AND CALL FLT SERVICE. WE ASKED WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. ATC RESPONDED THAT WE WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAVE THE ARPT WITHOUT A CLRNC ON THE GND. THE CTLR ALSO GAVE A NUMBER FOR THE CAPT TO CALL. WE CANCELLED OUR FLT PLAN AND WENT BACK TO FSW. THE CAPTAIN CALLED AND GAVE HIS CREDENTIALS. PROBLEM: WE DEPARTED VFR WHEN NO VFR FLTS WERE ALLOWED BECAUSE OF THE 9/TUE/01 BOMBINGS. THE VERY NEXT DAY WE WERE ALLOWED TO PICK UP CLRNCS IN THE AIR. SOLUTION: I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ONE. THIS WAS A VERY UNUSUAL SCENARIO. A LOT OF NEW RULES WERE PUT INTO EFFECT THAT WEEK. MANY RULES WERE INTERPRETED DIFFERENTLY. FOR EXAMPLE: WE HEARD ANOTHER PLT GET HIS CLRNC IN THE AIR. ANOTHER EXAMPLE: SECURITY VARIED WIDELY FROM FBO TO FBO. AT ONE FBO, YOU HAD TO BE ESCORTED TO YOUR ACFT. AT ANOTHER FBO, YOU HAD VEHICLES (PRIVATE) DRIVE UP TO ACFT. YOU ALSO HAD FBO'S WHERE THERE WAS FREE MOVEMENT THROUGH THE SECURITY AREA. VERY HARD WEEK FOR THE WHOLE NATION TO ADJUST TO NEW RULES AND REGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.