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Attributes | |
ACN | 526200 |
Time | |
Date | 200109 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdl.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | agl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-60 600 Aerostar |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 2400 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 526200 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | other personnel |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
On sunday at XA30 local, I filed an IFR flight plan for kmyf from ksdl with reno flight center (800 WX brief) by cell phone. I contacted ATIS and was told the tower was closed and to contact departure on one of their frequencies. Neither of their frequencys could be raised from the ground, so I departed and contacted departure at approximately 400 ft AGL, 0.5 miles west of the airport. I was told by departure that I was in violation of the recent class B VFR NOTAM and to land immediately. I returned to sdl. I contacted the local FSS and was given a departure and void time and departed with no problem. 1) I definitely violated the class B NOTAM. 2) the local ATIS should not have said to contact departure from the ground, because the local knowledge was that that was impossible. 3) I would also suggest the ATIS say that departure could not be reached from the ground and that a void time was necessary for IFR flight. When I called WX brief to file my flight plan, my cell phone contacted reno. If I had talked to the local briefer, I am sure I would have been given a void time. Since I wasn't, I incorrectly assumed that departing VFR and opening in the air wasn't in violation of the NOTAM.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AEST PLT DEPS VFR FROM SDL TO OBTAIN VFR FLT FOLLOWING AND IS ADVISED BY SCT DEP TO RETURN TO LAND BECAUSE OF NATIONAL NOTAM RESTRING VFR FLT.
Narrative: ON SUNDAY AT XA30 LOCAL, I FILED AN IFR FLT PLAN FOR KMYF FROM KSDL WITH RENO FLT CENTER (800 WX BRIEF) BY CELL PHONE. I CONTACTED ATIS AND WAS TOLD THE TWR WAS CLOSED AND TO CONTACT DEP ON ONE OF THEIR FREQUENCIES. NEITHER OF THEIR FREQS COULD BE RAISED FROM THE GND, SO I DEPARTED AND CONTACTED DEP AT APPROX 400 FT AGL, 0.5 MILES W OF THE ARPT. I WAS TOLD BY DEP THAT I WAS IN VIOLATION OF THE RECENT CLASS B VFR NOTAM AND TO LAND IMMEDIATELY. I RETURNED TO SDL. I CONTACTED THE LOCAL FSS AND WAS GIVEN A DEP AND VOID TIME AND DEPARTED WITH NO PROB. 1) I DEFINITELY VIOLATED THE CLASS B NOTAM. 2) THE LOCAL ATIS SHOULD NOT HAVE SAID TO CONTACT DEP FROM THE GND, BECAUSE THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE WAS THAT THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. 3) I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THE ATIS SAY THAT DEP COULD NOT BE REACHED FROM THE GND AND THAT A VOID TIME WAS NECESSARY FOR IFR FLT. WHEN I CALLED WX BRIEF TO FILE MY FLT PLAN, MY CELL PHONE CONTACTED RENO. IF I HAD TALKED TO THE LOCAL BRIEFER, I AM SURE I WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN A VOID TIME. SINCE I WASN'T, I INCORRECTLY ASSUMED THAT DEPARTING VFR AND OPENING IN THE AIR WASN'T IN VIOLATION OF THE NOTAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.