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Attributes | |
ACN | 526960 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 52f.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : prb.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Bellanca Aircraft Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 1193 |
ASRS Report | 526960 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : clearance delivery |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : d10.tracon |
Narrative:
52F is an uncontrolled airport. Filing flight plans and clearance delivery is usually by telephone. I filed an IFR, round--robin flight plan with fort worth flight service for a functional check flight on some recent maintenance items. Proposed departure time was XB15. I contacted dfw approach/clearance delivery by telephone at approximately XA55. The gentleman at clearance delivery asked how much time I would need before departure. I replied, 'about 20 mins.' he said, 'you ain't gonna get that,I will give you 5 mins.' I replied that was not reasonable. To hang up the phone, start the airplane, perform a normal runup, and set up my navigation gear would require a minimum of 10 mins. He said, 'no, 5 mins is all you will get and I'm not going to argue with you.' I replied that I would like to speak to his supervisor. A gentleman came on the phone, identified himself, and basically said, 'what's the problem?' I explained. He responded with a proper clearance which gave me a full 15 to 17 mins to get to the end of the runway with a departure 'window' of XB15-xb:20. That was exactly what I had requested in the first place. This is a recurring problem for all of us who are restrained by this new enhanced dfw class B airspace. Every general aviation pilot I have spoken with about operating IFR into/out of dfw enhanced class B has been met with the same arrogant resistance by dfw approach/clearance--insufficient time to safely start the aircraft, taxi to the runway, and prepare for flight. This type of rushing is going to get somebody killed and there is no reason for it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BL17 PLT WAS ALLOWED ONLY 5 MINS TO BECOME AIRBORNE WHEN GETTING AN IFR CLRNC FROM D10 ON THE TELEPHONE.
Narrative: 52F IS AN UNCTLED ARPT. FILING FLT PLANS AND CLRNC DELIVERY IS USUALLY BY TELEPHONE. I FILED AN IFR, ROUND--ROBIN FLT PLAN WITH FORT WORTH FLT SVC FOR A FUNCTIONAL CHK FLT ON SOME RECENT MAINT ITEMS. PROPOSED DEP TIME WAS XB15. I CONTACTED DFW APCH/CLRNC DELIVERY BY TELEPHONE AT APPROX XA55. THE GENTLEMAN AT CLRNC DELIVERY ASKED HOW MUCH TIME I WOULD NEED BEFORE DEP. I REPLIED, 'ABOUT 20 MINS.' HE SAID, 'YOU AIN'T GONNA GET THAT,I WILL GIVE YOU 5 MINS.' I REPLIED THAT WAS NOT REASONABLE. TO HANG UP THE PHONE, START THE AIRPLANE, PERFORM A NORMAL RUNUP, AND SET UP MY NAV GEAR WOULD REQUIRE A MINIMUM OF 10 MINS. HE SAID, 'NO, 5 MINS IS ALL YOU WILL GET AND I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU.' I REPLIED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO HIS SUPVR. A GENTLEMAN CAME ON THE PHONE, IDENTIFIED HIMSELF, AND BASICALLY SAID, 'WHAT'S THE PROB?' I EXPLAINED. HE RESPONDED WITH A PROPER CLRNC WHICH GAVE ME A FULL 15 TO 17 MINS TO GET TO THE END OF THE RWY WITH A DEP 'WINDOW' OF XB15-XB:20. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I HAD REQUESTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS A RECURRING PROB FOR ALL OF US WHO ARE RESTRAINED BY THIS NEW ENHANCED DFW CLASS B AIRSPACE. EVERY GENERAL AVIATION PLT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH ABOUT OPERATING IFR INTO/OUT OF DFW ENHANCED CLASS B HAS BEEN MET WITH THE SAME ARROGANT RESISTANCE BY DFW APCH/CLRNC--INSUFFICIENT TIME TO SAFELY START THE ACFT, TAXI TO THE RWY, AND PREPARE FOR FLT. THIS TYPE OF RUSHING IS GOING TO GET SOMEBODY KILLED AND THERE IS NO REASON FOR IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.