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Attributes | |
ACN | 526974 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pom.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13500 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : pomona 6 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 5800 |
ASRS Report | 526974 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 526972 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were climbing out on the pomona 6 departure to FL230, first officer's leg on the 294 degree radial out of pomona. I saw bur airport out the left window, and pointed it out to the first officer since he was new (second month on line) and he had not been there. We were landing there later in the day. Center called us with a comment like, 'looks like you won't make buck' (pom 294 degree radial, 20 DME -- at or above 14000 ft) or similar words. I immediately looked down at the chart, then at our DME and altitude. We were approximately 13500 ft and 21 DME or so. I answered that we were in an 'old airplane' (B737-200) today. We passed 14000 ft at about 22 DME (2 NM late). The controller then said something like 'that's alright' or similar words. Factors: 1) not paying attention to chart restrs and progress of climb, especially within 1000 ft of restr. 2) letting myself be distraction in excitement of helping out a 'new guy.' 3) complacency after having flown that departure in a -300 several times recently without 14000 ft restr being a factor (better climb rate). To prevent in the future: focus on task at hand and chart. Wait until cruise to point things out. Supplemental information from acn 526927: I was responsible for missing an altitude restr. I should have paid better attention during the SID monitoring our actual vertical climb performance to ensure we'd either make the restr or ask ATC for relief. To be completely honest, I was fairly task saturated just flying the -200 during my second month on the line.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 PIC BECOMES DISTR WITH SIGHTSEEING THAT THE FLC MISSES CLBING XING RESTR.
Narrative: WE WERE CLBING OUT ON THE POMONA 6 DEP TO FL230, FO'S LEG ON THE 294 DEG RADIAL OUT OF POMONA. I SAW BUR ARPT OUT THE L WINDOW, AND POINTED IT OUT TO THE FO SINCE HE WAS NEW (SECOND MONTH ON LINE) AND HE HAD NOT BEEN THERE. WE WERE LNDG THERE LATER IN THE DAY. CTR CALLED US WITH A COMMENT LIKE, 'LOOKS LIKE YOU WON'T MAKE BUCK' (POM 294 DEG RADIAL, 20 DME -- AT OR ABOVE 14000 FT) OR SIMILAR WORDS. I IMMEDIATELY LOOKED DOWN AT THE CHART, THEN AT OUR DME AND ALT. WE WERE APPROX 13500 FT AND 21 DME OR SO. I ANSWERED THAT WE WERE IN AN 'OLD AIRPLANE' (B737-200) TODAY. WE PASSED 14000 FT AT ABOUT 22 DME (2 NM LATE). THE CTLR THEN SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'THAT'S ALRIGHT' OR SIMILAR WORDS. FACTORS: 1) NOT PAYING ATTN TO CHART RESTRS AND PROGRESS OF CLB, ESPECIALLY WITHIN 1000 FT OF RESTR. 2) LETTING MYSELF BE DISTR IN EXCITEMENT OF HELPING OUT A 'NEW GUY.' 3) COMPLACENCY AFTER HAVING FLOWN THAT DEP IN A -300 SEVERAL TIMES RECENTLY WITHOUT 14000 FT RESTR BEING A FACTOR (BETTER CLB RATE). TO PREVENT IN THE FUTURE: FOCUS ON TASK AT HAND AND CHART. WAIT UNTIL CRUISE TO POINT THINGS OUT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 526927: I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MISSING AN ALT RESTR. I SHOULD HAVE PAID BETTER ATTN DURING THE SID MONITORING OUR ACTUAL VERT CLB PERFORMANCE TO ENSURE WE'D EITHER MAKE THE RESTR OR ASK ATC FOR RELIEF. TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, I WAS FAIRLY TASK SATURATED JUST FLYING THE -200 DURING MY SECOND MONTH ON THE LINE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.