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Attributes | |
ACN | 527871 |
Time | |
Date | 200110 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 0 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : las1.las |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 527871 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 527693 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft ATC Facility |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Dispatch filed us on the las one departure, but our pre departure clearance changed the clearance to the aaces one which is a runway departure and not approved on our DC10's. We did not catch the change, so we departed las thinking we were cleared on the las one. We flew a 255 degree heading off of runway 25R and about 5.5 DME the first officer asked the controller 'do you have a heading for us?' he responded that he was trying to get some spacing and then cleared us on a 190 degree heading. He then cleared us on a 150 degree heading and then direct chip two. The first officer told him chip two wasn't on our departure. He cleared us direct aaces which is on the las one, but informed us that we were originally cleared the aaces one. We checked the pre departure clearance and confirmed our error. As far as we know, we did not cause any traffic conflicts since our 255 degree heading did mimic the aaces one and then we were on an assigned heading (we just weren't ready to go direct chip two). The rest of the flight was uneventful. Las has started using new RNAV departure lately and have not gotten the word that our DC10's are /right but not in the terminal area. We were preconditioned to fly the las one and another phone call from company to las control is necessary explaining the RNAV limitations of the DC10, but clearly we are responsible since none of us picked up the change to our pre departure clearance. My only recommendation would be that if there is a major change to your filed route, the pre departure clearance should direct you to pick up your clearance on voice where a person could highlight any changes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC10 FLC FLEW SID THEY FILED, BUT WAS NOT THE ONE TO WHICH THEY WERE CLRED. THEIR ACFT WAS NOT EQUIPPED FOR RNAV IN A TERMINAL AREA.
Narrative: DISPATCH FILED US ON THE LAS ONE DEP, BUT OUR PDC CHANGED THE CLRNC TO THE AACES ONE WHICH IS A RWY DEP AND NOT APPROVED ON OUR DC10'S. WE DID NOT CATCH THE CHANGE, SO WE DEPARTED LAS THINKING WE WERE CLRED ON THE LAS ONE. WE FLEW A 255 DEG HEADING OFF OF RWY 25R AND ABOUT 5.5 DME THE FIRST OFFICER ASKED THE CTLR 'DO YOU HAVE A HEADING FOR US?' HE RESPONDED THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET SOME SPACING AND THEN CLRED US ON A 190 DEG HEADING. HE THEN CLRED US ON A 150 DEG HEADING AND THEN DIRECT CHIP TWO. THE FIRST OFFICER TOLD HIM CHIP TWO WASN'T ON OUR DEP. HE CLRED US DIRECT AACES WHICH IS ON THE LAS ONE, BUT INFORMED US THAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY CLRED THE AACES ONE. WE CHECKED THE PDC AND CONFIRMED OUR ERROR. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, WE DID NOT CAUSE ANY TFC CONFLICTS SINCE OUR 255 DEG HEADING DID MIMIC THE AACES ONE AND THEN WE WERE ON AN ASSIGNED HEADING (WE JUST WEREN'T READY TO GO DIRECT CHIP TWO). THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. LAS HAS STARTED USING NEW RNAV DEP LATELY AND HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE WORD THAT OUR DC10'S ARE /R BUT NOT IN THE TERMINAL AREA. WE WERE PRECONDITIONED TO FLY THE LAS ONE AND ANOTHER PHONE CALL FROM COMPANY TO LAS CTL IS NECESSARY EXPLAINING THE RNAV LIMITATIONS OF THE DC10, BUT CLRLY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE SINCE NONE OF US PICKED UP THE CHANGE TO OUR PDC. MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF THERE IS A MAJOR CHANGE TO YOUR FILED ROUTE, THE PDC SHOULD DIRECT YOU TO PICK UP YOUR CLRNC ON VOICE WHERE A PERSON COULD HIGHLIGHT ANY CHANGES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.