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Attributes | |
ACN | 529240 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : zzz.vortac |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Jet Ranger/Kiowa/206 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 529240 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed YYY airport at XA36 flying a bell longranger under 14 crash fire rescue equipment 135. After leaving the traffic pattern at YYY, contacted YYY approach requesting advisories, VFR direct to XXX airport. A beacon code was assigned with subsequent radar identification. Just north of the town of WWW, radar contact was lost and I was told to squawk 1200 and contact ZZZ approach. My student immediately switched to ZZZ approach and after waiting a short time due to frequency congestion, we called, received a beacon code, and were subsequently radar identified. Approximately 15 NM ssw of ZZZ the controller issued vectors to the wnw around arrivals and departure at ZZZ. Abeam ZZZ airport we were issued a frequency change to the northwest sector approach, checked in, were issued a few more vector headings to clear ZZZ airport. Then about 10 NM north of ZZZ were cleared to resume our VFR course direct XXX airport. At approximately 20 NM nne of ZZZ, radar service was terminated, VFR code issued and was requested to give ZZZ approach a telephone call upon reaching destination. At no time did any controller query me about the tfr over the plant ssw of ZZZ, neither YYY approach or ZZZ approach. I was aware of the tfr and its application and restrs. Landed at XXX at XC12 and shortly thereafter called the shift supervisor at ZZZ TRACON. He informed me that he was filing a pilot deviation against me for violating the tfr over a plant ssw of ZZZ. I informed him that there was no violation of the tfr as I was operating under an air carrier certificate, which are exempt. He further stated that it didn't matter, and anyway should have been in radio contact with his facility. I further explained, that not only was I exempt from the tfr, but that I was in radio contact with ZZZ approach receiving advisories and vectors, but that I had been in contact with YYY approach facility before that. ZZZ TRACON shift supervisor still insists on filing pilot deviation paperwork.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B06 PLT VIOLATED A TFR INVOLVING A PWR PLANT.
Narrative: DEPARTED YYY ARPT AT XA36 FLYING A BELL LONGRANGER UNDER 14 CFR 135. AFTER LEAVING THE TFC PATTERN AT YYY, CONTACTED YYY APCH REQUESTING ADVISORIES, VFR DIRECT TO XXX ARPT. A BEACON CODE WAS ASSIGNED WITH SUBSEQUENT RADAR IDENTIFICATION. JUST N OF THE TOWN OF WWW, RADAR CONTACT WAS LOST AND I WAS TOLD TO SQUAWK 1200 AND CONTACT ZZZ APCH. MY STUDENT IMMEDIATELY SWITCHED TO ZZZ APCH AND AFTER WAITING A SHORT TIME DUE TO FREQ CONGESTION, WE CALLED, RECEIVED A BEACON CODE, AND WERE SUBSEQUENTLY RADAR IDENTIFIED. APPROX 15 NM SSW OF ZZZ THE CTLR ISSUED VECTORS TO THE WNW AROUND ARRIVALS AND DEP AT ZZZ. ABEAM ZZZ ARPT WE WERE ISSUED A FREQ CHANGE TO THE NW SECTOR APCH, CHECKED IN, WERE ISSUED A FEW MORE VECTOR HEADINGS TO CLR ZZZ ARPT. THEN ABOUT 10 NM N OF ZZZ WERE CLRED TO RESUME OUR VFR COURSE DIRECT XXX ARPT. AT APPROX 20 NM NNE OF ZZZ, RADAR SVC WAS TERMINATED, VFR CODE ISSUED AND WAS REQUESTED TO GIVE ZZZ APCH A TELEPHONE CALL UPON REACHING DEST. AT NO TIME DID ANY CTLR QUERY ME ABOUT THE TFR OVER THE PLANT SSW OF ZZZ, NEITHER YYY APCH OR ZZZ APCH. I WAS AWARE OF THE TFR AND ITS APPLICATION AND RESTRS. LANDED AT XXX AT XC12 AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER CALLED THE SHIFT SUPVR AT ZZZ TRACON. HE INFORMED ME THAT HE WAS FILING A PLT DEVIATION AGAINST ME FOR VIOLATING THE TFR OVER A PLANT SSW OF ZZZ. I INFORMED HIM THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF THE TFR AS I WAS OPERATING UNDER AN AIR CARRIER CERTIFICATE, WHICH ARE EXEMPT. HE FURTHER STATED THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER, AND ANYWAY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN RADIO CONTACT WITH HIS FACILITY. I FURTHER EXPLAINED, THAT NOT ONLY WAS I EXEMPT FROM THE TFR, BUT THAT I WAS IN RADIO CONTACT WITH ZZZ APCH RECEIVING ADVISORIES AND VECTORS, BUT THAT I HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH YYY APCH FACILITY BEFORE THAT. ZZZ TRACON SHIFT SUPVR STILL INSISTS ON FILING PLT DEVIATION PAPERWORK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.