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A B727 crew, descending into sdf, misread the mileage to a crossing fix with a result of being high at the fix.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 529638 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : zid.artcc |
| State Reference | IN |
| Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 0 |
| ASRS Report | 529638 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 4000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flight engineer on flight abc sgf-sdf. On descent, first officer went to restroom while captain was flying. Given restr from center to cross cheri (not sure of spelling or location, but 45 mi from VOR) at 11000 ft MSL. I have no plates, but looked over captain's shoulder and thought cheri was at 40 mi instead of 45 mi, so I was not too concerned. However, as first officer came back, realized it was 45 mi out and we wouldn't make the restr. Captain informed center we would not be able to make it and center gave us a vector. No conflict noted. It is not procedure for flight engineer to have to look at stars and flight engineer is not briefed or has full knowledge of fixes. If I did, I could have been of more help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 CREW, DSNDING INTO SDF, MISREAD THE MILEAGE TO A XING FIX WITH A RESULT OF BEING HIGH AT THE FIX.
Narrative: I WAS FE ON FLT ABC SGF-SDF. ON DSCNT, FO WENT TO RESTROOM WHILE CAPT WAS FLYING. GIVEN RESTR FROM CTR TO CROSS CHERI (NOT SURE OF SPELLING OR LOCATION, BUT 45 MI FROM VOR) AT 11000 FT MSL. I HAVE NO PLATES, BUT LOOKED OVER CAPT'S SHOULDER AND THOUGHT CHERI WAS AT 40 MI INSTEAD OF 45 MI, SO I WAS NOT TOO CONCERNED. HOWEVER, AS FO CAME BACK, REALIZED IT WAS 45 MI OUT AND WE WOULDN'T MAKE THE RESTR. CAPT INFORMED CTR WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT AND CTR GAVE US A VECTOR. NO CONFLICT NOTED. IT IS NOT PROC FOR FE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT STARS AND FE IS NOT BRIEFED OR HAS FULL KNOWLEDGE OF FIXES. IF I DID, I COULD HAVE BEEN OF MORE HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.