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Attributes | |
ACN | 531314 |
Time | |
Date | 200111 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : powdr |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc tracon : d01.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc tracon : d01.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 531314 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
The ZDV controller gave us a descent clearance to 16000 ft with a restr to descend at a rate of at least 1500 FPM. She subsequently asked us if we were proceeding 'direct larks.' I replied that we were not, as we had been cleared direct powder intersection during the course of our initial contact with ATC. At approximately 3 mi from the powder intersection, we were instructed to contact den approach. The approach controller's first instructions on initial contact were to 'descend immediately to one five thousand.' I was the PF, and as the instructions were issued, I hit the trim switch which allowed me to both disconnect the autoplt as well as comply with the ATC instructions. I glanced at the TCASII which was still on the 20 mi range and saw a target at approximately our 8 O'clock position. The target was a solid circle, but I don't recall hearing an aural TCASII alert. Because we were in VMC, I glanced up and saw a white twin cessna with tip tanks pass overhead by what was at least 300 or 400 ft. I stated to the approach controller that it appeared a loss of separation had occurred. I informed him that I would be calling the area manager to discuss the incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB120 AND TWIN CESSNA HAD LESS THAN COMFORTABLE SEPARATION IN ZDV CLASS E AIRSPACE.
Narrative: THE ZDV CTLR GAVE US A DSCNT CLRNC TO 16000 FT WITH A RESTR TO DSND AT A RATE OF AT LEAST 1500 FPM. SHE SUBSEQUENTLY ASKED US IF WE WERE PROCEEDING 'DIRECT LARKS.' I REPLIED THAT WE WERE NOT, AS WE HAD BEEN CLRED DIRECT POWDER INTXN DURING THE COURSE OF OUR INITIAL CONTACT WITH ATC. AT APPROX 3 MI FROM THE POWDER INTXN, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT DEN APCH. THE APCH CTLR'S FIRST INSTRUCTIONS ON INITIAL CONTACT WERE TO 'DSND IMMEDIATELY TO ONE FIVE THOUSAND.' I WAS THE PF, AND AS THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE ISSUED, I HIT THE TRIM SWITCH WHICH ALLOWED ME TO BOTH DISCONNECT THE AUTOPLT AS WELL AS COMPLY WITH THE ATC INSTRUCTIONS. I GLANCED AT THE TCASII WHICH WAS STILL ON THE 20 MI RANGE AND SAW A TARGET AT APPROX OUR 8 O'CLOCK POS. THE TARGET WAS A SOLID CIRCLE, BUT I DON'T RECALL HEARING AN AURAL TCASII ALERT. BECAUSE WE WERE IN VMC, I GLANCED UP AND SAW A WHITE TWIN CESSNA WITH TIP TANKS PASS OVERHEAD BY WHAT WAS AT LEAST 300 OR 400 FT. I STATED TO THE APCH CTLR THAT IT APPEARED A LOSS OF SEPARATION HAD OCCURRED. I INFORMED HIM THAT I WOULD BE CALLING THE AREA MGR TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.