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Cargo DC8 stopped past the runway hold short line after the tower controller rescinded their clearance to taxi into position and hold. However, by the time the tower amended their clearance they were already going over the line, but not protruding onto the runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 531521 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200112 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : msp.airport |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : msp.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : second officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : private pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 531521 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
At approximately XA25Z on dec/xa/01, tower cleared our aircraft for position and hold and be ready for immediate departure on runway 31L. Shortly after clearance, tower told us to hold short of the runway. We replied that we were across the hold short line, but not on the runway. We made that statement twice and tower notified A320 of our aircraft being across the hold short line, but not on the runway, and cleared them to land. Aircraft landed and we were never a factor, but I felt that the landing clearance should have never been given to A320, given [the fact that] we were across the hold short line for that runway. WX conditions probably were a factor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CARGO DC8 STOPPED PAST THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE AFTER THE TWR CTLR RESCINDED THEIR CLRNC TO TAXI INTO POS AND HOLD. HOWEVER, BY THE TIME THE TWR AMENDED THEIR CLRNC THEY WERE ALREADY GOING OVER THE LINE, BUT NOT PROTRUDING ONTO THE RWY.
Narrative: AT APPROX XA25Z ON DEC/XA/01, TWR CLRED OUR ACFT FOR POS AND HOLD AND BE READY FOR IMMEDIATE DEP ON RWY 31L. SHORTLY AFTER CLRNC, TWR TOLD US TO HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY. WE REPLIED THAT WE WERE ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE, BUT NOT ON THE RWY. WE MADE THAT STATEMENT TWICE AND TWR NOTIFIED A320 OF OUR ACFT BEING ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE, BUT NOT ON THE RWY, AND CLRED THEM TO LAND. ACFT LANDED AND WE WERE NEVER A FACTOR, BUT I FELT THAT THE LNDG CLRNC SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN GIVEN TO A320, GIVEN [THE FACT THAT] WE WERE ACROSS THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR THAT RWY. WX CONDITIONS PROBABLY WERE A FACTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.