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Attributes | |
ACN | 531932 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : clt.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : y62.tower |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 531932 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : clt.tower |
Narrative:
After completing a visual approach and landing on runway 36R at kclt, we were cleared by the tower controller to 'turn left on romeo, proceed straight into the ramp and call ramp control.' (i.e.: by pass ground controller). While approaching the intersection of romeo and runway 23 we observed an aircraft taxiing southwest on runway 23 (on our right). I slowed our taxi speed until it appeared the other aircraft would give way, then continued across he intersection. As we switched to ramp control, the crew of the other aircraft announced they were ok and we hadn't hit them! Apparently, the tower had given them a similar clearance and they had gone over to the ramp control frequency while still on runway 23. They had expected us to give way, even though we were already on taxiway romeo (which hey needed to join) and arrived at the intersection ahead of them. The problem could have been avoided if: one, tower had handed us over to ground controller for sequencing to the ramp. Two, kclt had clearly defined frequency change over points. Three, the crew had not assumed the other would give way, but rather, just stopped and resolved the situation. Instead, we had 'see and avoid.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TWO ACR'S RESOLVE THEIR OWN POTENTIAL CONFLICT AFTER BEING CHANGED TO RAMP CTLR BY CLT LC.
Narrative: AFTER COMPLETING A VISUAL APCH AND LNDG ON RWY 36R AT KCLT, WE WERE CLRED BY THE TWR CTLR TO 'TURN LEFT ON ROMEO, PROCEED STRAIGHT INTO THE RAMP AND CALL RAMP CTL.' (I.E.: BY PASS GND CTLR). WHILE APCHING THE INTXN OF ROMEO AND RWY 23 WE OBSERVED AN ACFT TAXIING SW ON RWY 23 (ON OUR RIGHT). I SLOWED OUR TAXI SPD UNTIL IT APPEARED THE OTHER ACFT WOULD GIVE WAY, THEN CONTINUED ACROSS HE INTXN. AS WE SWITCHED TO RAMP CTL, THE CREW OF THE OTHER ACFT ANNOUNCED THEY WERE OK AND WE HADN'T HIT THEM! APPARENTLY, THE TWR HAD GIVEN THEM A SIMILAR CLRNC AND THEY HAD GONE OVER TO THE RAMP CTL FREQ WHILE STILL ON RWY 23. THEY HAD EXPECTED US TO GIVE WAY, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ALREADY ON TXWY ROMEO (WHICH HEY NEEDED TO JOIN) AND ARRIVED AT THE INTXN AHEAD OF THEM. THE PROBLEM COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF: ONE, TOWER HAD HANDED US OVER TO GND CTLR FOR SEQUENCING TO THE RAMP. TWO, KCLT HAD CLRLY DEFINED FREQ CHANGE OVER POINTS. THREE, THE CREW HAD NOT ASSUMED THE OTHER WOULD GIVE WAY, BUT RATHER, JUST STOPPED AND RESOLVED THE SIT. INSTEAD, WE HAD 'SEE AND AVOID.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.