 |
37000 Feet | Browse and search NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting System |
|
A part 91 pilot on an IFR clearance flies through the jfk, ny, tfr after making the appropriate contacts with FSS in planning and receiving proper clearance. He now questions whether the clearance was proper.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 531983 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200111 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | M-20 J (201) |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 1500 flight time type : 600 |
| ASRS Report | 531983 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance FAA ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
IFR flight from ZZZ to ZZZ1 airport. During FSS briefing, asked briefer what rtes south around new york city were being accepted given temperature flight restrs. Briefer checked and returned saying he had spoken to approach (ny) and ny center, that 'vectors jfk 229 degree dixie' was ok. Discussion followed, appeared that tfr no longer being applied in reality. Filed and flew. Afterward, second thoughts, after a friend suggested ATC was 'wrong': did FSS briefer tell approach and center I was part 91 -- maybe not. Perhaps they thought was inquiry re: part 135 or other. Accepted briefer's reading of situation too readily, it was PIC responsibility not FSS. Contributing -- FSS apparent confusion. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the NOTAM in question restr part 91 operation within 18 miles of jfk. The route of flight was directly over jfk and out V16 as was cleared. It was not clear to the reporter whether the ATC in ny knew he was part 91 or not. The FSS briefer was aware.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PART 91 PLT ON AN IFR CLRNC FLIES THROUGH THE JFK, NY, TFR AFTER MAKING THE APPROPRIATE CONTACTS WITH FSS IN PLANNING AND RECEIVING PROPER CLRNC. HE NOW QUESTIONS WHETHER THE CLRNC WAS PROPER.
Narrative: IFR FLT FROM ZZZ TO ZZZ1 ARPT. DURING FSS BRIEFING, ASKED BRIEFER WHAT RTES S AROUND NEW YORK CITY WERE BEING ACCEPTED GIVEN TEMP FLT RESTRS. BRIEFER CHKED AND RETURNED SAYING HE HAD SPOKEN TO APCH (NY) AND NY CTR, THAT 'VECTORS JFK 229 DEG DIXIE' WAS OK. DISCUSSION FOLLOWED, APPEARED THAT TFR NO LONGER BEING APPLIED IN REALITY. FILED AND FLEW. AFTERWARD, SECOND THOUGHTS, AFTER A FRIEND SUGGESTED ATC WAS 'WRONG': DID FSS BRIEFER TELL APCH AND CTR I WAS PART 91 -- MAYBE NOT. PERHAPS THEY THOUGHT WAS INQUIRY RE: PART 135 OR OTHER. ACCEPTED BRIEFER'S READING OF SIT TOO READILY, IT WAS PIC RESPONSIBILITY NOT FSS. CONTRIBUTING -- FSS APPARENT CONFUSION. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE NOTAM IN QUESTION RESTR PART 91 OP WITHIN 18 MILES OF JFK. THE RTE OF FLT WAS DIRECTLY OVER JFK AND OUT V16 AS WAS CLRED. IT WAS NOT CLR TO THE RPTR WHETHER THE ATC IN NY KNEW HE WAS PART 91 OR NOT. THE FSS BRIEFER WAS AWARE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.