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GA pilot complains to sck approach because they did not issue traffic advisories on an overtaking twin commander.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 533160 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200112 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : hyp.vor |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 8500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sck.tracon tower : san.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sck.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Rockwell North American Twin Piston Undifferentiated or Other Mod |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 533160 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
My aircraft was 310 degrees magnetic heading. Other aircraft passed off my right wing approximately magnetic heading 330 degrees. When advised of the near miss, approach first reported 'thank you.' when I let them know that was not an acceptable answer, they said they had no altitude read out on the other aircraft. The other aircraft appeared to be a very fast aeronautical commander twin which was going 50-70 KTS faster than my 160 KT (TAS). That means that the other pilot, who was at this correct VFR altitude and was multi rated, was flying with no altitude read out. I seriously question the truthfulness of approach's story. I think they did not provide adequate notice to an aircraft under their care for VFR flight following.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GA PLT COMPLAINS TO SCK APCH BECAUSE THEY DID NOT ISSUE TFC ADVISORIES ON AN OVERTAKING TWIN COMMANDER.
Narrative: MY ACFT WAS 310 DEGS MAGNETIC HEADING. OTHER ACFT PASSED OFF MY RIGHT WING APPROX MAGNETIC HEADING 330 DEGS. WHEN ADVISED OF THE NEAR MISS, APCH FIRST RPTED 'THANK YOU.' WHEN I LET THEM KNOW THAT WAS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER, THEY SAID THEY HAD NO ALT READ OUT ON THE OTHER ACFT. THE OTHER ACFT APPEARED TO BE A VERY FAST AERO COMMANDER TWIN WHICH WAS GOING 50-70 KTS FASTER THAN MY 160 KT (TAS). THAT MEANS THAT THE OTHER PLT, WHO WAS AT THIS CORRECT VFR ALT AND WAS MULTI RATED, WAS FLYING WITH NO ALT READ OUT. I SERIOUSLY QUESTION THE TRUTHFULNESS OF APCH'S STORY. I THINK THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE NOTICE TO AN ACFT UNDER THEIR CARE FOR VFR FLT FOLLOWING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.