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Attributes | |
ACN | 533323 |
Time | |
Date | 200112 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 533323 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
After having been notified today of a possible FAA violation I am filing this as soon as possible report. After having left the gate we were notified of having cargo containing dry ice in the aft cargo area where there were also two live animals. After this notification we took a lengthy ground delay waiting on ramp and load control to decide whether to offload either dry ice or animals. The relief pilot suggested placing the animals in the empty crew bunk area. I reminded him that the operation manual restricts using that area for storage and that I would require some type of waiver before I would concur. At this time we had been off the gate for over an hour. The relief pilot hen asked rap control to try and contact someone in management that would have the authority to issue such a waiver or direct us to someone who could. We tried everyone from captain X down. We eventually reached captain Y domicile chief pilot on his cell phone. We explained the OM restriction and our predicament. He then verbally approved putting the animals in the crew bunk area and added he would furnish written approval if needed when he rtned to the flight office. Based on what I considered to be approval from an authorized management pilot. We taxied back to the ramp and had the dog and CAT moved. Today I was notified by the fleet training manager that the captain Y does not have the authority to allow the described deviation from the OM, thus the late filing of this report. Understand that I do not feel that we compromised safety nor were we trying to blatantly disregard procedure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LIVE ANIMALS CARRIED IN B777 EMPTY CREW BUNK CAB AREA CONTRARY TO COMPANY OPS MANUAL.
Narrative: AFTER HAVING BEEN NOTIFIED TODAY OF A POSSIBLE FAA VIOLATION I AM FILING THIS ASAP REPORT. AFTER HAVING LEFT THE GATE WE WERE NOTIFIED OF HAVING CARGO CONTAINING DRY ICE IN THE AFT CARGO AREA WHERE THERE WERE ALSO TWO LIVE ANIMALS. AFTER THIS NOTIFICATION WE TOOK A LENGTHY GND DELAY WAITING ON RAMP AND LOAD CTL TO DECIDE WHETHER TO OFFLOAD EITHER DRY ICE OR ANIMALS. THE RELIEF PLT SUGGESTED PLACING THE ANIMALS IN THE EMPTY CREW BUNK AREA. I REMINDED HIM THAT THE OP MANUAL RESTRICTS USING THAT AREA FOR STORAGE AND THAT I WOULD REQUIRE SOME TYPE OF WAIVER BEFORE I WOULD CONCUR. AT THIS TIME WE HAD BEEN OFF THE GATE FOR OVER AN HOUR. THE RELIEF PLT HEN ASKED RAP CTL TO TRY AND CONTACT SOMEONE IN MGMNT THAT WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE SUCH A WAIVER OR DIRECT US TO SOMEONE WHO COULD. WE TRIED EVERYONE FROM CAPT X DOWN. WE EVENTUALLY REACHED CAPT Y DOMICILE CHIEF PLT ON HIS CELL PHONE. WE EXPLAINED THE OM RESTRICTION AND OUR PREDICAMENT. HE THEN VERBALLY APPROVED PUTTING THE ANIMALS IN THE CREW BUNK AREA AND ADDED HE WOULD FURNISH WRITTEN APPROVAL IF NEEDED WHEN HE RTNED TO THE FLT OFFICE. BASED ON WHAT I CONSIDERED TO BE APPROVAL FROM AN AUTHORIZED MGMNT PLT. WE TAXIED BACK TO THE RAMP AND HAD THE DOG AND CAT MOVED. TODAY I WAS NOTIFIED BY THE FLEET TRAINING MANAGER THAT THE CAPT Y DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW THE DESCRIBED DEVIATION FROM THE OM, THUS THE LATE FILING OF THIS RPT. UNDERSTAND THAT I DO NOT FEEL THAT WE COMPROMISED SAFETY NOR WERE WE TRYING TO BLATANTLY DISREGARD PROC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.