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Attributes | |
ACN | 534793 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sdf.airport |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 6600 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 534793 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxiing at louisville sdf ground instructed us to taxi on taxiway F and hold short of runway 17R. At the time we were configuring the aircraft for takeoff and visually saw that we were pointed towards taxiway F, where I saw at the side the clear yellow markings so we continued to the hold short markings and ran the before takeoff checklist. Shortly afterwards ground instructed us to taxi via crossing runway 17R and proceeding north on taxiway B to runway 17R. Before crossing the hold short line, the first officer noticed 2 or 3 airplanes taxiing north on taxiway B and asked the controller if he wanted us to follow the air carrier B737. The ground controller irritated responded that he was expecting us to hold short of runway 17R on taxiway F to the south of our position. The first officer responded politely that the ground controller did not specify turn left or right on taxiway F, he had simply said hold short of runway 17R on taxiway F and there is a big taxiway F sign by our side. The controller acknowledged that and said that the markings were giving them lots of trouble and that they were 'studying' what to do, and further if we continue flying to sdf we should taxi to the south taxiway F and hold there. I think he was sounding a little tired, but his instructions were definitely ambiguous and failed to convey a concise and clear message. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter revealed, as they taxied toward taxiway F they were confused by the runway signs, ending up holding short of runway 11/29 at taxiway F instead of runway 17R/35L as instructed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B727 CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT SDF, MISINTERPRETED THEIR TAXI CLRNC AND HELD IN THE WRONG AREA.
Narrative: TAXIING AT LOUISVILLE SDF GND INSTRUCTED US TO TAXI ON TXWY F AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R. AT THE TIME WE WERE CONFIGURING THE ACFT FOR TKOF AND VISUALLY SAW THAT WE WERE POINTED TOWARDS TXWY F, WHERE I SAW AT THE SIDE THE CLR YELLOW MARKINGS SO WE CONTINUED TO THE HOLD SHORT MARKINGS AND RAN THE BEFORE TKOF CHKLIST. SHORTLY AFTERWARDS GND INSTRUCTED US TO TAXI VIA XING RWY 17R AND PROCEEDING N ON TXWY B TO RWY 17R. BEFORE XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE, THE FO NOTICED 2 OR 3 AIRPLANES TAXIING N ON TXWY B AND ASKED THE CTLR IF HE WANTED US TO FOLLOW THE ACR B737. THE GND CTLR IRRITATED RESPONDED THAT HE WAS EXPECTING US TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R ON TXWY F TO THE S OF OUR POS. THE FO RESPONDED POLITELY THAT THE GND CTLR DID NOT SPECIFY TURN L OR R ON TXWY F, HE HAD SIMPLY SAID HOLD SHORT OF RWY 17R ON TXWY F AND THERE IS A BIG TXWY F SIGN BY OUR SIDE. THE CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED THAT AND SAID THAT THE MARKINGS WERE GIVING THEM LOTS OF TROUBLE AND THAT THEY WERE 'STUDYING' WHAT TO DO, AND FURTHER IF WE CONTINUE FLYING TO SDF WE SHOULD TAXI TO THE S TXWY F AND HOLD THERE. I THINK HE WAS SOUNDING A LITTLE TIRED, BUT HIS INSTRUCTIONS WERE DEFINITELY AMBIGUOUS AND FAILED TO CONVEY A CONCISE AND CLR MESSAGE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR REVEALED, AS THEY TAXIED TOWARD TXWY F THEY WERE CONFUSED BY THE RWY SIGNS, ENDING UP HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 11/29 AT TXWY F INSTEAD OF RWY 17R/35L AS INSTRUCTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.