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Attributes | |
ACN | 535426 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : orf.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : orf.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : orf.tracon |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 780 |
ASRS Report | 535426 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Aircraft Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
Late afternoon, WX cavu, level at 5000 ft. Just prior to turning downwind with orf approach, noted TCASII indication of aircraft 500 ft below and climbing heading straight for us. Unable to visually locate other aircraft. Got TCASII RA command to 'climb, climb!' as other aircraft climbed to within 200 ft almost right under us, first officer was flying, disconnected autoplt, and climbed to 6000 ft before TCASII warning abated. Orf approach control seemed a little agitated. We couldn't hear much of what they said because of the obnoxiously loud and repetitive autoplt disconnect warning, which is a whole safety issue itself. I'd really like to see it changed to a more conventional aural warning when it's intentionally disconnected. I've debriefed and noted this problem before, to no effect so far. Anyway, we never saw the intruder aircraft, so we were obliged to follow the TCASII directions. Once clear of conflict, we resumed normal vectors to a visual approach and landing with no further problems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC RESULTS IN A TCASII RA BEING FLOWN. RPTR COMPLAINS OF VOLUME OF AUTOPLT DISCONNECT, WARNING VOLUME HINDERING RADIO COM.
Narrative: LATE AFTERNOON, WX CAVU, LEVEL AT 5000 FT. JUST PRIOR TO TURNING DOWNWIND WITH ORF APCH, NOTED TCASII INDICATION OF ACFT 500 FT BELOW AND CLBING HEADING STRAIGHT FOR US. UNABLE TO VISUALLY LOCATE OTHER ACFT. GOT TCASII RA COMMAND TO 'CLB, CLB!' AS OTHER ACFT CLBED TO WITHIN 200 FT ALMOST RIGHT UNDER US, FO WAS FLYING, DISCONNECTED AUTOPLT, AND CLBED TO 6000 FT BEFORE TCASII WARNING ABATED. ORF APCH CTL SEEMED A LITTLE AGITATED. WE COULDN'T HEAR MUCH OF WHAT THEY SAID BECAUSE OF THE OBNOXIOUSLY LOUD AND REPETITIVE AUTOPLT DISCONNECT WARNING, WHICH IS A WHOLE SAFETY ISSUE ITSELF. I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE IT CHANGED TO A MORE CONVENTIONAL AURAL WARNING WHEN IT'S INTENTIONALLY DISCONNECTED. I'VE DEBRIEFED AND NOTED THIS PROB BEFORE, TO NO EFFECT SO FAR. ANYWAY, WE NEVER SAW THE INTRUDER ACFT, SO WE WERE OBLIGED TO FOLLOW THE TCASII DIRECTIONS. ONCE CLR OF CONFLICT, WE RESUMED NORMAL VECTORS TO A VISUAL APCH AND LNDG WITH NO FURTHER PROBS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.