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Attributes | |
ACN | 536368 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | other |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel |
Qualification | other |
ASRS Report | 536368 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | maintenance : technician |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 1 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Company |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
The flight mechanic called dispatch at approximately XA40Z with out and projected off information for the aircraft. Due to WX in the northeast, I got the release and verified current WX for destination and alternate. The taf for the alternate had been revised at XA13Z. I called the mechanic back to have him advise the captain that a new alternate was required. (The alternate was at 3/4 SM and forecast with a tempo group for the same at ETA.) the mechanic passed the phone to the captain. I advised the captain of the current WX and the need for a new alternate. He asked 'ZZZ1?' I told him I didn't think so, but didn't know since I hadn't had time to look anything up yet. I asked him to give me 5 mins to work up a new alternate with numbers and current WX. He told me to do the paperwork so it looked good on my end and he would go wherever he could get in when he got up there. I told him his release wasn't legal and he needed a new alternate. The captain told me they had just been deiced with type I, had to get going and would call me on the phone later. I asked if he meant air carrier X radio. He said no, that his aircraft had air phones. I verified he would be calling for his new alternate. He then told me he 'didn't have time to deal with this.' I asked him if he didn't have time for a new release and he hung up on me. When I contacted the FBO, they said he was gone and couldn't get in contact with the aircraft, and when I contacted the tower, he had already taken off. Upon reaching his destination, he called dispatch to ask for the alternate and my initials so the paperwork would look good and I refused.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-400 CAPT IGNORED THE NEED FOR AN ALTERNATE, IGNORED THE DISPATCHER ATTEMPT TO SUPPLY A LEGAL FLT RELEASE AND THEN OPERATED WITHOUT DISPATCH CONCURRENCE ON AN ILLEGAL FLT RELEASE.
Narrative: THE FLT MECH CALLED DISPATCH AT APPROX XA40Z WITH OUT AND PROJECTED OFF INFO FOR THE ACFT. DUE TO WX IN THE NE, I GOT THE RELEASE AND VERIFIED CURRENT WX FOR DEST AND ALTERNATE. THE TAF FOR THE ALTERNATE HAD BEEN REVISED AT XA13Z. I CALLED THE MECH BACK TO HAVE HIM ADVISE THE CAPT THAT A NEW ALTERNATE WAS REQUIRED. (THE ALTERNATE WAS AT 3/4 SM AND FORECAST WITH A TEMPO GROUP FOR THE SAME AT ETA.) THE MECH PASSED THE PHONE TO THE CAPT. I ADVISED THE CAPT OF THE CURRENT WX AND THE NEED FOR A NEW ALTERNATE. HE ASKED 'ZZZ1?' I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT DIDN'T KNOW SINCE I HADN'T HAD TIME TO LOOK ANYTHING UP YET. I ASKED HIM TO GIVE ME 5 MINS TO WORK UP A NEW ALTERNATE WITH NUMBERS AND CURRENT WX. HE TOLD ME TO DO THE PAPERWORK SO IT LOOKED GOOD ON MY END AND HE WOULD GO WHEREVER HE COULD GET IN WHEN HE GOT UP THERE. I TOLD HIM HIS RELEASE WASN'T LEGAL AND HE NEEDED A NEW ALTERNATE. THE CAPT TOLD ME THEY HAD JUST BEEN DEICED WITH TYPE I, HAD TO GET GOING AND WOULD CALL ME ON THE PHONE LATER. I ASKED IF HE MEANT ACR X RADIO. HE SAID NO, THAT HIS ACFT HAD AIR PHONES. I VERIFIED HE WOULD BE CALLING FOR HIS NEW ALTERNATE. HE THEN TOLD ME HE 'DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH THIS.' I ASKED HIM IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TIME FOR A NEW RELEASE AND HE HUNG UP ON ME. WHEN I CONTACTED THE FBO, THEY SAID HE WAS GONE AND COULDN'T GET IN CONTACT WITH THE ACFT, AND WHEN I CONTACTED THE TWR, HE HAD ALREADY TAKEN OFF. UPON REACHING HIS DEST, HE CALLED DISPATCH TO ASK FOR THE ALTERNATE AND MY INITIALS SO THE PAPERWORK WOULD LOOK GOOD AND I REFUSED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.