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Attributes | |
ACN | 536806 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dal.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 536806 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
On the approach phase, ATC cleared us to 2000 ft and said 'maintain 2000 ft till advised.' we left 3000 ft and started a turning descent for a left base to runway 13L at dal. I saw the jet coming from right to left, stopped my descent, added power and started back to altitude. The controller said we weren't supposed to descend, but by that time we were cleared to 2000 ft till advised. After the other jet passed us, he said since we were already in the descent to continue and switch over to dal tower, and then he said be advised of traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MDT JET CREW AND ANOTHER JET HAD LESS THAN LEGAL SEPARATION IN D10 CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: ON THE APCH PHASE, ATC CLRED US TO 2000 FT AND SAID 'MAINTAIN 2000 FT TILL ADVISED.' WE LEFT 3000 FT AND STARTED A TURNING DSCNT FOR A L BASE TO RWY 13L AT DAL. I SAW THE JET COMING FROM R TO L, STOPPED MY DSCNT, ADDED PWR AND STARTED BACK TO ALT. THE CTLR SAID WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DSND, BUT BY THAT TIME WE WERE CLRED TO 2000 FT TILL ADVISED. AFTER THE OTHER JET PASSED US, HE SAID SINCE WE WERE ALREADY IN THE DSCNT TO CONTINUE AND SWITCH OVER TO DAL TWR, AND THEN HE SAID BE ADVISED OF TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.