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Attributes | |
ACN | 536837 |
Time | |
Date | 200201 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : slk.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 536837 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
I was giving instrument training to a student. We had been in and out of IMC/VMC at altitudes of 6000 ft and below for approximately 3 hours prior, during the morning's previous flts. Temperatures stayed positive the entire time with no icing observed. Same conditions existed en route to the IAF at 6000 ft. Since we were GPS equipped, and the minimum IFR altitude for the remainder of the flight was 6000 ft, I expected no icing problems. Center controller cleared the aircraft up to 6800 ft and stated that this was his minimum vectoring altitude. Temperature at 6000 ft was now +1 degree C. I advised controller that it would be a slow climb and that I would rather stay at 6000 ft and avoid any possible icing conditions. Although not specifically cleared to remain at 6000 ft the center controller stated that I was above the minimum IFR altitude and well clear of obstacles. We were later cleared to 5000 ft and cleared approach. We broke out into VMC at 5000 ft and proceeded to the airport visually. The phraseology given by center left some doubt in my mind whether an altitude deviation actually occurred. In retrospect, it seemed prudent to decline the climb into possible icing conditions. Terrain and traffic clearance was not an issue.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT DECLINED TO CLB TO HIGHER ALT BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE ICING AT A COLDER TEMP IN ZBW CLASS E.
Narrative: I WAS GIVING INST TRAINING TO A STUDENT. WE HAD BEEN IN AND OUT OF IMC/VMC AT ALTS OF 6000 FT AND BELOW FOR APPROX 3 HRS PRIOR, DURING THE MORNING'S PREVIOUS FLTS. TEMPS STAYED POSITIVE THE ENTIRE TIME WITH NO ICING OBSERVED. SAME CONDITIONS EXISTED ENRTE TO THE IAF AT 6000 FT. SINCE WE WERE GPS EQUIPPED, AND THE MINIMUM IFR ALT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE FLT WAS 6000 FT, I EXPECTED NO ICING PROBS. CTR CTLR CLRED THE ACFT UP TO 6800 FT AND STATED THAT THIS WAS HIS MINIMUM VECTORING ALT. TEMP AT 6000 FT WAS NOW +1 DEG C. I ADVISED CTLR THAT IT WOULD BE A SLOW CLB AND THAT I WOULD RATHER STAY AT 6000 FT AND AVOID ANY POSSIBLE ICING CONDITIONS. ALTHOUGH NOT SPECIFICALLY CLRED TO REMAIN AT 6000 FT THE CTR CTLR STATED THAT I WAS ABOVE THE MINIMUM IFR ALT AND WELL CLR OF OBSTACLES. WE WERE LATER CLRED TO 5000 FT AND CLRED APCH. WE BROKE OUT INTO VMC AT 5000 FT AND PROCEEDED TO THE ARPT VISUALLY. THE PHRASEOLOGY GIVEN BY CTR LEFT SOME DOUBT IN MY MIND WHETHER AN ALTDEV ACTUALLY OCCURRED. IN RETROSPECT, IT SEEMED PRUDENT TO DECLINE THE CLB INTO POSSIBLE ICING CONDITIONS. TERRAIN AND TFC CLRNC WAS NOT AN ISSUE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.