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Attributes | |
ACN | 539013 |
Time | |
Date | 200202 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tvl.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13200 msl bound upper : 14000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream III |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 2610 flight time type : 620 |
ASRS Report | 539013 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 24 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 24 |
ASRS Report | 539321 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Possible altitude deviation of 800 ft, at 14000 ft MSL on arrival to tvl from the southeast. On arrival, we were nwbound at 14000 ft when we called the airport in sight. The controller advised that IFR traffic was departing towards squaw valley VOR. We were told to go direct to squaw valley VOR. Approximately 10 mi northwest of tvl, we were told to go direct to the airport, and interpreted this as a visual due to the large amount of altitude we needed to lose (about 8000 ft). While turning towards the airport at an altitude of 13200 ft, ZOA asked our altitude. We told them and they told us we needed to maintain 14000 ft. We climbed back up and told them we needed a turn towards the north to plan the descent. They gave us a vector and cleared us for the visual and told us to contact tvl tower. Approach and landing was uneventful. Communication errors and interpretation were key factors on both sides. ZOA's instructions were not clear, and we should have asked for clarification. As the crew, we interpreted the turn towards the airport as 'cleared for the visual' due to having already called it in sight, proceeding direct and needing to lose 8000 ft of altitude in a relatively short distance, and traffic not being a factor (nothing on TCASII). ATC needs to give practical and realistic instructions and as the pilots we need to question and clarify when instructions are vague. The unusual airport environment of tvl also is a contributing factor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GIII FLC ASSUME ZOA DIRECTIVE CLRNC TO ARPT IS ALSO AUTH FOR VISUAL APCH, DUE TO PROX TO ARPT.
Narrative: POSSIBLE ALTDEV OF 800 FT, AT 14000 FT MSL ON ARR TO TVL FROM THE SE. ON ARR, WE WERE NWBOUND AT 14000 FT WHEN WE CALLED THE ARPT IN SIGHT. THE CTLR ADVISED THAT IFR TFC WAS DEPARTING TOWARDS SQUAW VALLEY VOR. WE WERE TOLD TO GO DIRECT TO SQUAW VALLEY VOR. APPROX 10 MI NW OF TVL, WE WERE TOLD TO GO DIRECT TO THE ARPT, AND INTERPED THIS AS A VISUAL DUE TO THE LARGE AMOUNT OF ALT WE NEEDED TO LOSE (ABOUT 8000 FT). WHILE TURNING TOWARDS THE ARPT AT AN ALT OF 13200 FT, ZOA ASKED OUR ALT. WE TOLD THEM AND THEY TOLD US WE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN 14000 FT. WE CLBED BACK UP AND TOLD THEM WE NEEDED A TURN TOWARDS THE N TO PLAN THE DSCNT. THEY GAVE US A VECTOR AND CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL AND TOLD US TO CONTACT TVL TWR. APCH AND LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL. COM ERRORS AND INTERP WERE KEY FACTORS ON BOTH SIDES. ZOA'S INSTRUCTIONS WERE NOT CLR, AND WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED FOR CLARIFICATION. AS THE CREW, WE INTERPED THE TURN TOWARDS THE ARPT AS 'CLRED FOR THE VISUAL' DUE TO HAVING ALREADY CALLED IT IN SIGHT, PROCEEDING DIRECT AND NEEDING TO LOSE 8000 FT OF ALT IN A RELATIVELY SHORT DISTANCE, AND TFC NOT BEING A FACTOR (NOTHING ON TCASII). ATC NEEDS TO GIVE PRACTICAL AND REALISTIC INSTRUCTIONS AND AS THE PLTS WE NEED TO QUESTION AND CLARIFY WHEN INSTRUCTIONS ARE VAGUE. THE UNUSUAL ARPT ENVIRONMENT OF TVL ALSO IS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.