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Attributes | |
ACN | 539012 |
Time | |
Date | 200202 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : vny.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 6500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : vny.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 16r other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon tower : vny.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-34-200 Seneca I |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 28 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 95 |
ASRS Report | 539012 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 539323 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were on radar vectors to intercept localizer runway 16R at vny and cleared to descend to 6000 ft, cleared for approach. Passing 7000 ft and as we were intercepting localizer, outside kadie intersection, but inside umber fix, socal called traffic at 11 O'clock position. Socal leveled us at 6000 ft and said traffic was not in contact with them. As our aircraft intercepted localizer, I saw the traffic pass under our nose. The traffic, a light twin, appeared to be also intercepting the localizer under us. A few seconds later, our TCASII sounded an RA 'monitor vertical speed.' after complying with the RA, we passed the LOM (kadie) about 1 DOT high on the GS. After the RA cleared, I increased descent to capture the GS. A few seconds later, the TCASII showed the traffic 600 ft below and slightly behind and then we got a second TCASII RA 'monitor vertical speed' requiring a second decrease in descent rate. After we landed, we asked tower about the other aircraft. We were told that it was a seneca. It was not in contact with socal approach and had just contacted tower after it passed under us. This incident sounds very close to what happened during the midair a few yrs ago at vny. Different procedures need to be developed to separate IFR and VFR traffic approaching vny from the north. At least the requirement that all traffic be in contact with socal before crossing 15 DME from the vny VOR. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that he is very familiar with vny and this was his first 'close' event.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 CPR PLT RESPONDS TO TCASII AND SCT TFC ALERT WHEN DSNDING INTO VNY.
Narrative: WE WERE ON RADAR VECTORS TO INTERCEPT LOC RWY 16R AT VNY AND CLRED TO DSND TO 6000 FT, CLRED FOR APCH. PASSING 7000 FT AND AS WE WERE INTERCEPTING LOC, OUTSIDE KADIE INTXN, BUT INSIDE UMBER FIX, SOCAL CALLED TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK POS. SOCAL LEVELED US AT 6000 FT AND SAID TFC WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH THEM. AS OUR ACFT INTERCEPTED LOC, I SAW THE TFC PASS UNDER OUR NOSE. THE TFC, A LIGHT TWIN, APPEARED TO BE ALSO INTERCEPTING THE LOC UNDER US. A FEW SECONDS LATER, OUR TCASII SOUNDED AN RA 'MONITOR VERT SPD.' AFTER COMPLYING WITH THE RA, WE PASSED THE LOM (KADIE) ABOUT 1 DOT HIGH ON THE GS. AFTER THE RA CLRED, I INCREASED DSCNT TO CAPTURE THE GS. A FEW SECONDS LATER, THE TCASII SHOWED THE TFC 600 FT BELOW AND SLIGHTLY BEHIND AND THEN WE GOT A SECOND TCASII RA 'MONITOR VERT SPD' REQUIRING A SECOND DECREASE IN DSCNT RATE. AFTER WE LANDED, WE ASKED TWR ABOUT THE OTHER ACFT. WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS A SENECA. IT WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH SOCAL APCH AND HAD JUST CONTACTED TWR AFTER IT PASSED UNDER US. THIS INCIDENT SOUNDS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE MIDAIR A FEW YRS AGO AT VNY. DIFFERENT PROCS NEED TO BE DEVELOPED TO SEPARATE IFR AND VFR TFC APCHING VNY FROM THE N. AT LEAST THE REQUIREMENT THAT ALL TFC BE IN CONTACT WITH SOCAL BEFORE XING 15 DME FROM THE VNY VOR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT HE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH VNY AND THIS WAS HIS FIRST 'CLOSE' EVENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.