Piper PA28 making practice instrument approachs in VFR conditions at night requested lower altitude after being climbed into the overcast for separation with a lear and citation jets.

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Attributes
ACN	539645
Time
Date	200202
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : pdz.vortac
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 3500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Gates Learjet Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 2300 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	539645
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : vfr in imc inflight encounter : weather other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic flight crew : exited adverse environment
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Weather ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

Doing some instrument approachs in VFR condition with a student. ATC asked me to maintain VFR. We were at 3000 ft at the same time as 2 jets -- 1 lear and a citation. Both jets on practice approachs at the same airport with me. ATC asked me to climb to 3500 ft. The moment I climbed to 3500 ft, it was IMC (it was night). At the same time, a jet was taking off from ontario, which is next door from chino. Controller was getting busy. ATC asked me to extend my downwind for the jet. At 3500 ft, a lear jet was at 3200 ft. I was inside the cloud. If I wanted to go down to avoid the cloud then I might get hit by the lear jet who was below me. I asked ATC to give me a 3000 ft altitude and he did.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PIPER PA28 MAKING PRACTICE INST APCHS IN VFR CONDITIONS AT NIGHT REQUESTED LOWER ALT AFTER BEING CLBED INTO THE OVCST FOR SEPARATION WITH A LEAR AND CITATION JETS.

Narrative: DOING SOME INST APCHS IN VFR CONDITION WITH A STUDENT. ATC ASKED ME TO MAINTAIN VFR. WE WERE AT 3000 FT AT THE SAME TIME AS 2 JETS -- 1 LEAR AND A CITATION. BOTH JETS ON PRACTICE APCHS AT THE SAME ARPT WITH ME. ATC ASKED ME TO CLB TO 3500 FT. THE MOMENT I CLBED TO 3500 FT, IT WAS IMC (IT WAS NIGHT). AT THE SAME TIME, A JET WAS TAKING OFF FROM ONTARIO, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR FROM CHINO. CTLR WAS GETTING BUSY. ATC ASKED ME TO EXTEND MY DOWNWIND FOR THE JET. AT 3500 FT, A LEAR JET WAS AT 3200 FT. I WAS INSIDE THE CLOUD. IF I WANTED TO GO DOWN TO AVOID THE CLOUD THEN I MIGHT GET HIT BY THE LEAR JET WHO WAS BELOW ME. I ASKED ATC TO GIVE ME A 3000 FT ALT AND HE DID.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.