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Attributes | |
ACN | 539979 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : dvv.vortac |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl single value : 31000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 365 flight time total : 20200 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 539979 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 540114 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : regained aircraft control other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Aircraft Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
At FL350, 20 mins east of rockies, inbound to fqf VOR, center reported pockets of moderate turbulence. Advised head flight attendant to secure galleys and carts and strap in and made PA to cabin anticipating turbulence for everyone to remain seated with seatbelt fastened, cabin service was discontinued and flight attendants would also be seated. Queried center for ride reports lower and then asked for FL310 better ride and 4000 ft below optimum altitude. Center turned us north 30 degrees for descent. Upon reaching FL310, cleared us direct to meeker and told us to slow to 250 KTS. Just after slowing to 250 KTS, we heard another air carrier report near severe turbulence. Center came back with a warning that it was right ahead of us. In just a few seconds we encountered it and airspeed immediately decayed to 230 KTS. I firewalled the power and had my first officer tell him we were accelerating to 290 KTS (turbulence penetration speed). Aircraft rolled 15 degrees and we were at times light in our seats. First officer turned on continuous ignition. Turbulence lasted about 45 seconds. We got out of it and I made a PA to the cabin that I thought we were out of it, but to stay seated. Center said ride ahead smooth and it was. Until technology improves for forecasting, little can be done. What to do is written in our handbooks and we train for it in the simulator. No further recommendations. Supplemental information from acn 540114: the captain went firewall power as I bugged 290 KIAS and turned on continuous ignition.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LOSS OF ACFT CTL OCCURS WHEN A B747-400 RUNS INTO SEVERE TURB AT FL310, 250 KTS, 60 NM NW OF DVV, CO.
Narrative: AT FL350, 20 MINS E OF ROCKIES, INBOUND TO FQF VOR, CTR RPTED POCKETS OF MODERATE TURB. ADVISED HEAD FLT ATTENDANT TO SECURE GALLEYS AND CARTS AND STRAP IN AND MADE PA TO CABIN ANTICIPATING TURB FOR EVERYONE TO REMAIN SEATED WITH SEATBELT FASTENED, CABIN SVC WAS DISCONTINUED AND FLT ATTENDANTS WOULD ALSO BE SEATED. QUERIED CTR FOR RIDE RPTS LOWER AND THEN ASKED FOR FL310 BETTER RIDE AND 4000 FT BELOW OPTIMUM ALT. CTR TURNED US N 30 DEGS FOR DSCNT. UPON REACHING FL310, CLRED US DIRECT TO MEEKER AND TOLD US TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. JUST AFTER SLOWING TO 250 KTS, WE HEARD ANOTHER ACR RPT NEAR SEVERE TURB. CTR CAME BACK WITH A WARNING THAT IT WAS RIGHT AHEAD OF US. IN JUST A FEW SECONDS WE ENCOUNTERED IT AND AIRSPD IMMEDIATELY DECAYED TO 230 KTS. I FIREWALLED THE PWR AND HAD MY FO TELL HIM WE WERE ACCELERATING TO 290 KTS (TURB PENETRATION SPD). ACFT ROLLED 15 DEGS AND WE WERE AT TIMES LIGHT IN OUR SEATS. FO TURNED ON CONTINUOUS IGNITION. TURB LASTED ABOUT 45 SECONDS. WE GOT OUT OF IT AND I MADE A PA TO THE CABIN THAT I THOUGHT WE WERE OUT OF IT, BUT TO STAY SEATED. CTR SAID RIDE AHEAD SMOOTH AND IT WAS. UNTIL TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES FOR FORECASTING, LITTLE CAN BE DONE. WHAT TO DO IS WRITTEN IN OUR HANDBOOKS AND WE TRAIN FOR IT IN THE SIMULATOR. NO FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 540114: THE CAPT WENT FIREWALL PWR AS I BUGGED 290 KIAS AND TURNED ON CONTINUOUS IGNITION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.