Instructor and student in a C182 have difficulty communicating request for touch and go lndgs at iwa...

Attributes
ACN	540112
Time
Date	200203
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : iwa.airport
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	landing : touch and go
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 47 flight time total : 26000 flight time type : 200
ASRS Report	540112
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance

Narrative:

My student reported in to williams gateway tower (iwa) approximately 8 mi out, requesting touch and go lndgs. We were told to report at 4 mi for runway 30C. We reported at 4 mi for touch and go lndgs and were cleared to land. We requested touch and go lndgs 2 more times but the controller did not answer. We made a full stop landing and as we were rolling out requested an immediate takeoff to stay in the pattern for touch and go lndgs. The runway at iwa is 10200 ft long and we had 7000 ft remaining. The supervisor came on the air and requested that we clear the runway. Iwa does not have many txwys and the nearest exit was 2000 ft down the runway. We repeated our takeoff request, which was granted. As we flew downwind to continue our touch and go lndgs, the supervisor requested that we call the tower when we landed because of a possible flight violation. He was very upset. When we landed at our home base we called the supervisor. He immediately apologized for his gruff demeanor and we were able to resolve the problem. He made no mention of a flight violation in our conversation. The controller also told me that he had been supervising a trainee controller and that is why he came on the air. I believe this was a contributing factor. How could we have prevented this problem? I believe the simplest solution would have been for us to do a go around and get established in the landing pattern.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR AND STUDENT IN A C182 HAVE DIFFICULTY COMMUNICATING REQUEST FOR TOUCH AND GO LNDGS AT IWA.

Narrative: MY STUDENT RPTED IN TO WILLIAMS GATEWAY TWR (IWA) APPROX 8 MI OUT, REQUESTING TOUCH AND GO LNDGS. WE WERE TOLD TO RPT AT 4 MI FOR RWY 30C. WE RPTED AT 4 MI FOR TOUCH AND GO LNDGS AND WERE CLRED TO LAND. WE REQUESTED TOUCH AND GO LNDGS 2 MORE TIMES BUT THE CTLR DID NOT ANSWER. WE MADE A FULL STOP LNDG AND AS WE WERE ROLLING OUT REQUESTED AN IMMEDIATE TKOF TO STAY IN THE PATTERN FOR TOUCH AND GO LNDGS. THE RWY AT IWA IS 10200 FT LONG AND WE HAD 7000 FT REMAINING. THE SUPVR CAME ON THE AIR AND REQUESTED THAT WE CLR THE RWY. IWA DOES NOT HAVE MANY TXWYS AND THE NEAREST EXIT WAS 2000 FT DOWN THE RWY. WE REPEATED OUR TKOF REQUEST, WHICH WAS GRANTED. AS WE FLEW DOWNWIND TO CONTINUE OUR TOUCH AND GO LNDGS, THE SUPVR REQUESTED THAT WE CALL THE TWR WHEN WE LANDED BECAUSE OF A POSSIBLE FLT VIOLATION. HE WAS VERY UPSET. WHEN WE LANDED AT OUR HOME BASE WE CALLED THE SUPVR. HE IMMEDIATELY APOLOGIZED FOR HIS GRUFF DEMEANOR AND WE WERE ABLE TO RESOLVE THE PROB. HE MADE NO MENTION OF A FLT VIOLATION IN OUR CONVERSATION. THE CTLR ALSO TOLD ME THAT HE HAD BEEN SUPERVISING A TRAINEE CTLR AND THAT IS WHY HE CAME ON THE AIR. I BELIEVE THIS WAS A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. HOW COULD WE HAVE PREVENTED THIS PROB? I BELIEVE THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR US TO DO A GAR AND GET ESTABLISHED IN THE LNDG PATTERN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.