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MD80 crew landing lga instructed to break off the final because of a DH-8 1 mi ahead on approach not in sight.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 540400 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200203 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 540400 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
During the lda-a approach into lga inside casle intersection, we were told to contact lga tower. On first transmission to lga tower, the controller asked if we had a DH-8 in sight 1 mi ahead. We told him that we did not have the DH-8 in sight, so the controller broke us off the approach to the east. We then came back for another approach for a landing. During vectors for the first approach we were told to maintain 190 KTS. To my knowledge this was the last speed that we were given. We were never told to follow any traffic. Throughout the approach we never had the DH-8 visually. We were only cleared for the lda-a approach. I am not sure whether our speed was not correct for the final or if the DH-8 was turned in front of us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD80 CREW LNDG LGA INSTRUCTED TO BREAK OFF THE FINAL BECAUSE OF A DH-8 1 MI AHEAD ON APCH NOT IN SIGHT.
Narrative: DURING THE LDA-A APCH INTO LGA INSIDE CASLE INTXN, WE WERE TOLD TO CONTACT LGA TWR. ON FIRST XMISSION TO LGA TWR, THE CTLR ASKED IF WE HAD A DH-8 IN SIGHT 1 MI AHEAD. WE TOLD HIM THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE DH-8 IN SIGHT, SO THE CTLR BROKE US OFF THE APCH TO THE E. WE THEN CAME BACK FOR ANOTHER APCH FOR A LNDG. DURING VECTORS FOR THE FIRST APCH WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 190 KTS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THIS WAS THE LAST SPD THAT WE WERE GIVEN. WE WERE NEVER TOLD TO FOLLOW ANY TFC. THROUGHOUT THE APCH WE NEVER HAD THE DH-8 VISUALLY. WE WERE ONLY CLRED FOR THE LDA-A APCH. I AM NOT SURE WHETHER OUR SPD WAS NOT CORRECT FOR THE FINAL OR IF THE DH-8 WAS TURNED IN FRONT OF US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.